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re: Why did Obama team spy on Trump’s staff if they didn’t expect him to win?

Posted on 5/21/20 at 6:56 am to
Posted by ScottFowler
NE Ohio
Member since Sep 2012
4152 posts
Posted on 5/21/20 at 6:56 am to
After losing the election, Trump would have been prosecuted for conspiring with the Russians. The Hillary DOJ would have destroyed him, his businesses & family.

After that, no one would ever dare to run against the Uniparty again.
This post was edited on 5/21/20 at 6:59 am
Posted by mtntiger
Asheville, NC
Member since Oct 2003
26652 posts
Posted on 5/21/20 at 6:58 am to
The investigations began to KEEP him from winning. Had she won, then NONE of this would have seen the light of day. It would have been business as usual and God only knows what state secrets Hillary would have sold and for how much.

After Trump won, it became paramount to try to discredit him in any way possible and make sure he never caught on to their illegal spying. Flynn became the focus, because as both an Obama staffer and intelligence official, he knew way too much and was the one man they felt who could bring them down. They felt they could harass him to the point of breaking. They nearly pulled if off.

This entire episode is worse than Watergate and Iran-Contra combined.
Posted by Hooligan's Ghost
Member since Jul 2013
5190 posts
Posted on 5/21/20 at 6:59 am to
just like Nixon and Watergate - same thing

Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
39551 posts
Posted on 5/21/20 at 6:59 am to
I'm sure their internal polling was closer to reality than the media poll rags that are designed to sway public opinion. IYR, in the Strozk/Page texts, they expressed concern that Trump might pull this off.
Posted by cadillacattack
the ATL
Member since May 2020
4443 posts
Posted on 5/21/20 at 7:03 am to
quote:

just like Nixon and Watergate - same thing


Mmmm ... no.

Nixon used private contractors to steal files at the Watergate ... and he paid a price for his illicit behavior.

Hussein used the full power and surveillance capabilities of the US Government to spy on US citizens and a bevy of political and journalist targets.

Massive difference ...

Posted by wfallstiger
Wichita Falls, Texas
Member since Jun 2006
11495 posts
Posted on 5/21/20 at 7:12 am to
Here is your answer

BHO promised to transform America and he was very successful in doing so. His definition of that was a realignment of global powers. The overtures were to Islamic nations - see Iran and its network which included Red China. To solidify this transformation an enemy had to be identified and it was Putin's Russia - our old Cold War adversary, fresh enough for Boomers.

If HRC had been elected we would have engaged Putin's Russia militarily and we were well on the way to doing so. When she inexplicably lost a cover had to surface. The BHO WH was always spying on American citizens so they quickly used it - Russian interference and DJT as a cover. This has NEVER been about DJT but rather an attempt to cover a deeper agenda. DJT is show. Unfortunately for them DJT won't allow it to ride as 'just politics' as it WASN'T 'just politics'... it was a deliberate and calculated attempt for nations to lose their sovereignty.
This post was edited on 5/21/20 at 7:13 am
Posted by CarrolltonTiger
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2005
50291 posts
Posted on 5/21/20 at 7:21 am to
Nixon beat McGovern 49:1 in 1972, the election was never in doubt, why did his underlings spy on McGovern creating a need for a cover-up. Unless it was in fact for the nudes of the lovely Maureen Dean it made no sense except hubris or stupidity.
Posted by boomtown143
Merica
Member since May 2019
6707 posts
Posted on 5/21/20 at 7:25 am to
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Was the IC wiretapping Trump pre-election to help Hillary and they needed a reason, post-election, for those wiretaps?


Yes.

we're going to find out they've been spying on people illegally for years (previous election also).

Once Trump won, they need a story to "help cover" for what they did to him.
This post was edited on 5/21/20 at 7:25 am
Posted by boomtown143
Merica
Member since May 2019
6707 posts
Posted on 5/21/20 at 7:27 am to
quote:

Nixon beat McGovern 49:1 in 1972, the election was never in doubt, why did his underlings spy on McGovern creating a need for a cover-up. Unless it was in fact for the nudes of the lovely Maureen Dean it made no sense except hubris or stupidity.


They spied to give a leg up to Hillary. Hillary would get glimpses into his campaign, policy, who is loyal to him.

Also, I think the fact that Trump called Hillary out a lot made them go further.

THEY NEVER THOUGHT SHE WOULD LOSE.
Posted by boomtown143
Merica
Member since May 2019
6707 posts
Posted on 5/21/20 at 7:30 am to
quote:

After losing the election, Trump would have been prosecuted for conspiring with the Russians. The Hillary DOJ would have destroyed him, his businesses & family.


This. I think it were a "normal republican" running against her she wouldn't have gone that far.

Trump calling her out, saying he's going to put her in jail, made them go further in their spying OP. Funny thing is, they never found anything on him

By him drawing her in....the operation became very big...which leads to mistakes.....then, he WON..and they had to try to cover it all up (cover up spying on him and others in the past)
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 5/21/20 at 7:33 am to
Because a rat is a rat and will always be nothing but a rat doing rat things.....

Seriously, they are bad , paranoid people and it's simply IN THEIR NATURE to do bad things.
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
23240 posts
Posted on 5/21/20 at 7:39 am to
quote:


But if they didn’t expect Trump to win, why the frick would they go through all of this trouble?


Insurance policy

quote:

What was the end game of these investigations had Hillary won?


Drop it and move forward with retarded progressive agenda.
Posted by DougsMugs
Georgia
Member since Aug 2019
8239 posts
Posted on 5/21/20 at 7:53 am to
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Yes yes but WHY?


my belief is;

Before election -
1). They spied on everyone trying to get or manufacture current and future blackmail material.
2). Flynn was on Obama's crap list because of Iran and because he didn't play the corruption game but knows how they did it.
3). They wanted to help Hillary and punish the opposition and especially that OMB Trump.
4). Ends justify the means, when you are an arrogant POS leftist/communist statist power hungry dirt bag... which most in Obama's admin were.

After election -
1). Oh hell
2). We got to get more blackmail material, NOW!
3). Oh hell
4). We got to cover our asses.
5). Oh hell

Posted by DougsMugs
Georgia
Member since Aug 2019
8239 posts
Posted on 5/21/20 at 7:56 am to
quote:

They were spying on everybody in the GOP field. At least the ones they were worried about.


They were spying on everyone. It was the modus operandi i of the corrupt left. Get dirt on each other to keep everyone quiet. Make it up, if you have to.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 5/21/20 at 7:57 am to
quote:

After losing the election, Trump would have been prosecuted for conspiring with the Russians. The Hillary DOJ would have destroyed him, his businesses & family.


THIS is the right answer.

Hell, even after Trump was elected, a good deal of the activity has been designed exclusively to tell all others who might wish to repeat what Trump did or support something like it that your lives may well be ruined.

Make no mistake. There are people who might otherwise choose to support a future candidate's campaign that will choose not to after seeing what happened to those who participated in Trump's.
Posted by DougsMugs
Georgia
Member since Aug 2019
8239 posts
Posted on 5/21/20 at 8:06 am to
quote:

we're going to find out they've been spying on people illegally for years (previous election also).


That would explain the collapse of Mittens right before the election. He refused to use the Benghazi scandal to destroy Obama. Unforgivable.
Posted by keks tadpole
Yellow Leaf Creek
Member since Feb 2017
7586 posts
Posted on 5/21/20 at 8:21 am to
quote:

Here is your answer


^^ Your post ^^

My guess has been that patriots in DC (congress, military, SCOTUS, etc) recognized this and made a plan.
Nobody was beating HRC. period. DTC was recruited** maybe as early as 2011 to be the face-man to dump the book of secrets after she won, and then push for torches and pitchforks*** (with help from behind the curtain). There are no real secrets in DC. BHO was spying to figure out who was behind the curtain, what they were preparing to do and how to counter it.
**Why would DJT in 2010-2011, at his age and where he was at time (hit TV show, international pop-culture icon, 3rd hot wife, plenty of money) start hitting the MSM touting the birther movement, insulting the most globally respected leader in modern history and potentially alienating the citizens of the world from his brand, to appeal to maybe 25% of the US population? That doesn't make sense...unless..
*** why would Trump not say to the nation on the debate stage that he would arbitrarily accept the results of the election, if he lost, and why would that question even be brought up unless somebody knew that someone was cooking something up behind the curtains?

This post was edited on 5/21/20 at 10:42 am
Posted by Dick Leverage
In The HizHouse
Member since Nov 2013
9000 posts
Posted on 5/21/20 at 8:34 am to
The intent was to control Trump after he lost the election. Silence him with the threat of prosecution for sedition. And it would also serve as a shot across the bow of any outsider that dared to oppose the establishment again. “This is what we will do to you and your family.”
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
21695 posts
Posted on 5/21/20 at 9:14 am to
quote:

Why did Obama team spy on Trump’s staff if they didn’t expect him to win?


1.) Why leave it to chance, even if it's a slim chance? Look at the text messages between the two FBI love birds. They thought Hillary was a shoe in but still wanted a back up plan in place just incase.
2.) If he does end up losing it'll be easy to cover up.
Posted by MMauler
Member since Jun 2013
19216 posts
Posted on 5/21/20 at 9:16 am to
What do you think the phrase "Insurance Policy" meant?
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