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re: Why can't the US have univeral healtcare with the current budget?
Posted on 10/2/23 at 3:11 pm to RaoulDuke504
Posted on 10/2/23 at 3:11 pm to RaoulDuke504
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universal healthcare
Because the media here is the PR machine for the left, we have this impression that if you leave the USA, you get everything free related to health care. I work with a lot of foreigners so here is the truth:
1. It's total bulls**t, lots of what we would have to pay a relatively small amount for (IE copay and/or deductable), they have to pay for all of it. Friend of mine just dropped five figures on Lasik in Canada. Their definition of "elective" is much broader than ours. Nothing even remotely elective is covered, and if you want a better option to a necessary procedure, you are probably on the hook for all of it. If your condition is not considered emergency, you are on the hook. Another friend had to pay fully for a deviated septum because he could "fully breathe" so it was elective by their definition.
2. It is paid for by taxes that are double or triple what we pay, its not actually free.
3. You have very little choice in your care. Another friend of mine has a very sick adult son and they tell him "go here, do this". He has very little control over his son's health despite being on the brink of death once a month. Yes, they pay for most of the care, but what good is free care with no input???
This post was edited on 10/2/23 at 3:13 pm
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Posted on 10/2/23 at 3:36 pm to RaoulDuke504
The quality of your healthcare would drop. At the very least, your healthcare would be rationed to you, by the government, and there would be no appeals process.
Posted on 10/2/23 at 3:52 pm to Lima Whiskey
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At the very least, your healthcare would be rationed to you, by the government, and there would be no appeals process.
The way it could work (if set up correctly) is if the government is the sole insurance provider.
You'd pay probably the same amount you do for your current insurance, maybe a little less, but if you go to the doctor for most things its completely covered. I think you would then see some hospitals brand themselves as "premium providers" with lower wait times, better doctors, etc, but you pay some out of pocket. For some things you're paying out of pocket for at least part of it either way.
In this scenario the government isn't trying to make a buck off this like insurance companies, the program just needs to sustain itself. Since there isn't a profit being taken out in the middle, costs will go down.
Obviously it only works if you don't go granting mass citizenship to anyone who walks across the border. Full blown citizens only, the rest pay out of pocket.
If we cut some of the bloat and secure the border, I think some version of that is absolutely doable in order to take care of our own citizens.
You literally can't just give out healthcare to anyone who comes here, but I also think its unacceptable for people in the wealthiest nation ever to be going bankrupt because of a cancer diagnosis.
Posted on 10/2/23 at 3:55 pm to Lima Whiskey
The US population would have a major meltdown with nationalized healthcare. “What do you mean I have to wait 6 months for my lumbar spine MRI?”
“What do you mean I can’t have the most sensitive test available to detect such-and-such disorder that my child may have because it’s too expensive? I demand it!”
“What do you mean I can’t have the most sensitive test available to detect such-and-such disorder that my child may have because it’s too expensive? I demand it!”
Posted on 10/2/23 at 4:02 pm to minister of truth
I agree, people would be furious with the wait times
Posted on 10/2/23 at 4:02 pm to VolSquatch
quote:How would that work for groceries? ... everyone needs food.
The way it could work (if set up correctly) is if the government is the sole insurance provider.
How about fixed price housing? ... everyone needs shelter.
How about fixed price cars? ... everyone needs transportation.
Posted on 10/2/23 at 4:04 pm to Lima Whiskey
And they would have no alternative or recourse. What the government allows will be the only option, unless you’re willing to opt out of the system forever
Posted on 10/2/23 at 5:06 pm to tadman
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This post was edited on 1/28/24 at 9:24 pm
Posted on 10/2/23 at 5:34 pm to CleverUserName
They leave for breaks on time.
Posted on 10/2/23 at 5:35 pm to RaoulDuke504
Given how badly our government fricks things up (i.e. border security, budget, education, etc) why would you want to put the government in charge of health care? Do you think it will be the one thing they don't screw up?
Posted on 10/2/23 at 5:45 pm to RaoulDuke504
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The United States spends 18.3% GDP to Healthcare
That's what the nation spends overall (i.e. people, insurance companies, governments, etc.), not the government's spending. Shifting that full amount to the government would certainly wreck the budget way more than it already is.
Posted on 10/2/23 at 6:22 pm to RaoulDuke504
quote:
Why can't the US have univeral healtcare with the current budget?
Republicans.
Posted on 10/2/23 at 6:31 pm to RaoulDuke504
I mean the government ruins everything.
We have public hospitals. We also have the VA. Who ever says great things about that?
Also the federal government is the single largest health insurance provider in the country.
And then there is the border. Universal healthcare would really mean that here.
We have public hospitals. We also have the VA. Who ever says great things about that?
Also the federal government is the single largest health insurance provider in the country.
And then there is the border. Universal healthcare would really mean that here.
This post was edited on 10/2/23 at 6:37 pm
Posted on 10/2/23 at 6:38 pm to dgnx6
quote:Look up one post.
Who ever says great things about that?
BamaAtl thinks CommieMed is the way to go.
This post was edited on 10/2/23 at 6:40 pm
Posted on 10/2/23 at 6:42 pm to NC_Tigah
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BamaAtl
Posted on 10/2/23 at 6:51 pm to VolSquatch
quote:Like it has with government nonprofit education?
In this scenario the government isn't trying to make a buck off this like insurance companies, the program just needs to sustain itself. Since there isn't a profit being taken out in the middle, costs will go down.
This post was edited on 10/2/23 at 6:51 pm
Posted on 10/2/23 at 6:54 pm to minister of truth
quote:People think “universal healthcare” (a focus-group approved term) means “as much healthcare as i want and it’s all for free.”. In reality it’s whatever the government is willing to dispense of what’s left after the government bureaucracy is done with it.
The US population would have a major meltdown with nationalized healthcare. “What do you mean I have to wait 6 months for my lumbar spine MRI?”
If your hypothetical patients above was over 65, the answer would be no MRI for you. Have some ibuprofen and go home, you’re retired and no long er important to society.
The reason the US pays more is we have almost completely unrationed care.
This post was edited on 10/2/23 at 6:58 pm
Posted on 10/2/23 at 7:04 pm to RaoulDuke504
Insurance companies and big pharma.
Also the AMA.....the most effective "union" in the world
and it's generally not a good idea
Also the AMA.....the most effective "union" in the world
and it's generally not a good idea
Posted on 10/2/23 at 7:05 pm to VolSquatch
quote:
The way it could work (if set up correctly) is if the government is the sole insurance provider.
Hell fricking no.
This puts the government in control. If the government pays, it takes control, and the government is the only party in this discussion that always shows up with a badge and a gun.
It confounds me that anyone can even contemplate having the government in control of your health.
Posted on 10/2/23 at 7:08 pm to RaoulDuke504
....because the U.S. insists on a guns & butter budget. Plus we subsidize practically every country (including Ukraine) in the world.
I'd much prefer the U.S.Government set up a fully funded IRA for every single citizen (man, woman, and child). Heck, throw in the Government Employees.
Joe Biden et al scheme for war and profit. President Trump schemes for Peace and Prosperity.
Trump 2024 - He Stands With Us
I'd much prefer the U.S.Government set up a fully funded IRA for every single citizen (man, woman, and child). Heck, throw in the Government Employees.
Joe Biden et al scheme for war and profit. President Trump schemes for Peace and Prosperity.
Trump 2024 - He Stands With Us
This post was edited on 10/2/23 at 8:13 pm
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