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re: Why Can’t People Learn To Accept Permanent U.S. War In The Middle East?

Posted on 2/21/26 at 5:13 pm to
Posted by BOHICAMAN
Member since Feb 2026
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Posted on 2/21/26 at 5:13 pm to
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Well, Trump claimed it was "mission accomplished" just months ago. NOT good enough now. So what does it want now? I don't know what kind of cred he or the State Dept has now for whatever reason they give.


The objective now is regime change. I was personally against the strikes last year on the nuke facilities but I pro regime change now. The reason I support it now is because conditions on the ground in Iran right now are conducive to toppling the current regime and replace it with, if not an ally, a much less disruptive one. Right now is the best chance we’ll have to do so and we can accomplish without significant numbers of US boots on the ground.
Posted by EphesianArmor
Member since Mar 2025
4839 posts
Posted on 2/21/26 at 5:14 pm to
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Didn’t Trump tell us he got the nuclear sites last year?


Yup. "Surgical strikes", neat and clear, in & out. "Mission accomplished."

What changed since? Anybody gonna tell us dumb turnips?
Posted by TenWheelsForJesus
Member since Jan 2018
11351 posts
Posted on 2/21/26 at 5:15 pm to
Your argument that we are participating in permanent war is a picture of Trump and words he never said. Somehow, you just haven't convinced me to see it your way.

I don't use the term 'war' to describe every military action like you guys do, though. I like to reserve it for actual wars.
Posted by BOHICAMAN
Member since Feb 2026
1159 posts
Posted on 2/21/26 at 5:15 pm to
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What changed since? Anybody gonna tell us dumb turnips?


Sure, the Iranian population is rising up against the regime and we have golden opportunity to effect regime change. Next question.
Posted by PurpleCrush
ATL
Member since May 2014
2430 posts
Posted on 2/21/26 at 5:19 pm to
Trump dissolved the Iran deal after previously agreed on by multiple countries that included on site accountability per diplomacy.

You voted for America first no more wars?
Now bombing again bc he failed the first time?

What do you want to happen?

Posted by Toomer Deplorable
Team Bitter Clinger
Member since May 2020
24857 posts
Posted on 2/21/26 at 5:20 pm to
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Depends what you mean by “war”



Here we go with this again.

If a Chinese carrier group launched a missile strike on the White House to facilitate a regime change or Iranian commandos conducted a midnight raid on Mar A Lago and kidnapped Trump for alleged crimes against the Iranian Republic, I think we all would agree these would be considered acts of war against the United States.

This post was edited on 2/21/26 at 5:21 pm
Posted by EphesianArmor
Member since Mar 2025
4839 posts
Posted on 2/21/26 at 5:21 pm to
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The objective now is regime change.


Of course NOW they tell us when it was always the reason the entire time. They just wanted to slow walk us into a war they'd always planned.

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I was personally against the strikes last year on the nuke facilities but I pro regime change now. The reason I support it now is because conditions on the ground in Iran right now are conducive to toppling the current regime and replace it with, if not an ally, a much less disruptive one.


In theory it sounds acceptable (marginally) But how can we believe *anything* USreal tells us is truth of the matter? And frankly, who is being "disruptive" here in this case? Who is USreal to dictate and define "acceptible" leadership of another country? Irans never even threatened the US. Or Bibi-Land.

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Right now is the best chance we’ll have to do so and we can accomplish without significant numbers of US boots on the ground.


So how are we doing this? With AI drones, "secret" weaponry, and commandos a la Venezuela?
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
16072 posts
Posted on 2/21/26 at 5:21 pm to
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Trump dissolved the Iran deal after previously agreed on by multiple countries that included on site accountability per diplomacy

No, as I previously stated, it expired. There were sites off limits to inspection, and the warning time for inspection gave the IRGC plenty of time to move equipment and product out of the view of inspectors.
Posted by EphesianArmor
Member since Mar 2025
4839 posts
Posted on 2/21/26 at 5:23 pm to
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The Iranian population is rising up against the regime and we have golden opportunity to effect regime change.


That's what we've been told. So I guess it must be true.

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Next question.


What's the NEXT ME country scheduled for "regime change"?
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
16072 posts
Posted on 2/21/26 at 5:27 pm to
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What's the NEXT ME country scheduled for "regime change"?

Ask Hillary Clinton, she'd know better.
Posted by PurpleCrush
ATL
Member since May 2014
2430 posts
Posted on 2/21/26 at 5:28 pm to
Moved yes, after he broke the deal, it didn't expire Smart by them

Oh, and Mr Deal Maker is unable to make a new one by diplomacy

What do you think he should do now?
Bc he has all in place, Bomb or TACO?

Hint, to distract as usual = Bombs Away,
Posted by EphesianArmor
Member since Mar 2025
4839 posts
Posted on 2/21/26 at 5:32 pm to
Posted by UtahCajun
Member since Jul 2021
5538 posts
Posted on 2/21/26 at 6:25 pm to
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Trump dissolved the Iran deal after previously agreed on by multiple countries that included on site accountability per diplomacy

So what? You are still deflecting from him dropping less bombs on less countries than others.
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You voted for America first no more wars?

Oh lawd, you suck.
quote:

Now bombing again bc he failed the first time?

Still negotiating as last I heard. One Pres woulda dropped a bomb on an American teen by now, but not this guy.
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What do you want to happen?

America out of playing world police. America not doing Isreal's bidding.
If who I voted for woulda won, we may have seen that happen.

But enough about me, please feel free to stop deflecting and begin defending the original shite post I responded to

This post was edited on 2/21/26 at 6:26 pm
Posted by PurpleCrush
ATL
Member since May 2014
2430 posts
Posted on 2/21/26 at 7:11 pm to
Calm down Utah, it ain't about you.
Whats the question?

What say you about Dons Iran situation?
Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
7912 posts
Posted on 2/22/26 at 12:18 am to
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Let them handle it.

They can't.

Thats just a fact.
Posted by jeff5891
Member since Aug 2011
15964 posts
Posted on 2/22/26 at 8:12 am to
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I don't know, why can't you accept that Iran needs to not have nukes


I thought we set their capabilities back decades with that strike last year?
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
13432 posts
Posted on 2/22/26 at 9:03 am to
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Realizing the bad one's nation does =/= hating that nation.


What does refusing to admit that your nation has done more good for the world than any other nation currently in existence (and it's not close), and if there was really any place better on the planet, you'd already be there, what does refusing to admit that mean, Dr. Freud?
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
Team Bitter Clinger
Member since May 2020
24857 posts
Posted on 2/22/26 at 10:35 am to
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But it is the answer, because no one else can.


The notion that America is an “essential” nation is warmed over Wilsonianism and is at it’s heart a progressive ideology. Such a world view is embraced by both neoconservatives and neoliberals.

Neoconservatives and neoliberals, though motivated by ostensibly opposing objectives — global militarism versus the promotion of a global “woke” corporate agenda — frequently pursue overlapping goals, resulting in remarkably similar societal outcomes. Neoconservatives are typically focused on achieving global military hegemony, while neoliberals — in their pursuit of corporate hegemony — similarly advocate for military dominance as a means of advancing their corporate and social agendas.

Both ideological camps justify their actions through the rhetoric of global stability, yet their policies often prioritize corporate hegemony at the expense of national sovereignty. A key example of their shared priorities is the promotion of regime change and nation-building, which serve as conduits for both neoconservative and neoliberal foreign policy objectives.

Ultimately, both neocons and neoliberals place corporate hegemony and profit above individual rights, a pattern observable in repeated U.S. interventions across the Middle East. Neoliberals champion public-private partnerships to enact social policies, while neoconservatives push for expansive military budgets that funnel vast sums of money into defense contracts.

Though framed as an effort to promote democracy, the 20-year occupation of Afghanistan offers a compelling case study of the intersection between these two ideologies. Military contractors in the defense-industrial complex secured lucrative contracts in the wake of the Afghanistan occupation, while major asset management firms — which hold substantial shares in arms manufacturers — also control significant stakes in mainstream media organizations that influence public perception of war.

Thus, while the military-industrial complex profited from the trillion-dollar contracts to produce weapons of war for Afghanistan, the same asset management firms which are heavily invested in defense contractors — also hold large shares in the corporate media which simultaneously were promoting progressive policies to appease progressive constituencies. This dualistic agenda serves to maintain both military and corporate dominance, with far-reaching implications for global geopolitics and public discourse.

This is why any vote in this UniParty® charade is ultimately a vote for the left or right wing of the Deep State. And also why Trumpism — like Reaganism and Bushism before it — will ultimately fail in stopping the progressive agenda.



This post was edited on 2/22/26 at 1:42 pm
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
Team Bitter Clinger
Member since May 2020
24857 posts
Posted on 2/22/26 at 10:38 am to
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Lady Lindsey


Posted by EphesianArmor
Member since Mar 2025
4839 posts
Posted on 2/22/26 at 10:57 am to
Bibi: "Save some for me!!"

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