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re: Why aren't kids getting into the trades anymore?
Posted on 2/16/21 at 4:07 pm to Forever
Posted on 2/16/21 at 4:07 pm to Forever
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What are they other than intangible comfort factors like it being cooler in the morning? The marginal benefits don’t outweigh the negatives IMO
If you are doing construction in a already established shopping center or business center, they may request you do anything that makes a shite load of noise before normal operating hours to not be a nuisance to businesses and their customers.
That's just one example.
This post was edited on 2/16/21 at 4:08 pm
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Posted on 2/16/21 at 4:22 pm to burger bearcat
I didn’t read all 8 pages. However I did do “grunt” work between my later high school years and early under grad years, especially in college (late 90s-early 20s). I enjoyed physical labor, I liked learning new things (learned enough to do a few side jobs on my own), and I enjoyed the creativity/change that my work made. I did roofing, flooring, sheet rocking, a little plumbing and electrical. The knowledge helped me as a homeowner.
All that said, one of the biggest issues that I saw is 9/10 bosses, both mine and other subcontract groups, were lazy as frick and came to work everyday to swing their dick and be a douchebag. But they were the boss, so I put my head down, listened, and worked.
Another issue is I saw a bunch of them frick over their workers, especially the younger ones. Promising them more money for longer hours and then stiffing the on their last check even while knowing they were going to let them all week while they finished their current job.
I get making kids “tougher”, but too many of those dudes were just shitty bosses. Ran off a lot of good young kids.
All that said, one of the biggest issues that I saw is 9/10 bosses, both mine and other subcontract groups, were lazy as frick and came to work everyday to swing their dick and be a douchebag. But they were the boss, so I put my head down, listened, and worked.
Another issue is I saw a bunch of them frick over their workers, especially the younger ones. Promising them more money for longer hours and then stiffing the on their last check even while knowing they were going to let them all week while they finished their current job.
I get making kids “tougher”, but too many of those dudes were just shitty bosses. Ran off a lot of good young kids.
This post was edited on 2/16/21 at 6:41 pm
Posted on 2/16/21 at 4:29 pm to mmcgrath
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How much pay someone will accept is based on what they think they are worth. They may be wrong, but if you can't find someone to reliably fill a position at the rate you are hiring, then you are wrong.
Most of them have college degrees, they want $25/hr to let us teach them how to do a job they have no idea how to do. A few of them are the sons of family friends. They simply refuse to accept the pay they are offered and end up sitting at home living out of their parents house waiting for the situation thru feel is worth it.
We actually have better luck going to different trade schools. We’ll even go to trade schools that don’t teach anything that we could use. The young people we get from these schools tend to be hungry and willing to prove themselves. Sure they start off learning and doing mundane tasks. It isn’t long, however, before they are leading jobs and projects and are earning much higher pay.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 4:51 pm to Fat Bastard
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I’d love to see if youd last working a 30 or 40 Hour straight shift offshore.
Us offshore baws should probably sit this one out. I mean yeah we work and shite, but I also get 6 months off a year.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 4:51 pm to 50407Tiger
quote:You are making his point for him, although you sound like you aren't bright enough to realize it.
Let me tell you what, your industry sucks that’s why nobody wants to do it.
Plain and simple.
Have fun with your miserable lives.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 5:17 pm to Wally Sparks
There really is no point in getting a 4 year degree unless you're going to school for medicine, law, engineering. Get a job and work your way up or go to a trade school and learn how to do something in 18 months without all the bullshite.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 5:31 pm to Wally Sparks
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Because for the past 30+ years parents have harped on the “college or bust” train.
Much longer than 30+ years. I am 61 and all I heard growing up is if you want to succeed you have to have a college degree. That's because most of our parents grew up poor and the only way out was the military or college.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 6:15 pm to 50407Tiger
Its not just your trade or anything... It's these kids.
Opinionated, feeling of self entitlement, Phones, Video games. They don't want to change the world by working and making a difference, they want to change the would by protesting...
Believe me... I got cushy job positions. Heat and AC. TV's, Alcohol.. Cash daily... Lots of opposite sex .. and you still can't get these kids to apply.
These kids bitch about the man, say we need change, but yet a ton of them want the government to feed and house them.
Almost 75% of the time you hire a kid to start and they don't show up the next day. Only the older people that you are lucky enough to hire show.. But there is not enough of them applying.
Opinionated, feeling of self entitlement, Phones, Video games. They don't want to change the world by working and making a difference, they want to change the would by protesting...
Believe me... I got cushy job positions. Heat and AC. TV's, Alcohol.. Cash daily... Lots of opposite sex .. and you still can't get these kids to apply.
These kids bitch about the man, say we need change, but yet a ton of them want the government to feed and house them.
Almost 75% of the time you hire a kid to start and they don't show up the next day. Only the older people that you are lucky enough to hire show.. But there is not enough of them applying.
This post was edited on 2/16/21 at 7:00 pm
Posted on 2/16/21 at 6:25 pm to Seeker
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I didn’t read all 8 pages. However I did do “grunt” work between my later high school years and early under grade, especially in college (late 90s-early 20s). I enjoyed physical labor, I liked learning new things (learned enough to do a few side jobs on my own), and I enjoyed the creativity/change that my work made. I did roofing, flooring, sheet rocking, a little plumbing and electrical. The knowledge helped me as a homeowner.
All that said, one of the biggest issues that I saw is 9/10 bosses, both mine and other subcontract groups, were lazy as frick and came to work everyday to swing their dick and be a douchebag. But they were the boss, so I put my head down, listened, and worked.
Another issue is I saw a bunch of them frick over their workers, especially the younger ones. Promising them more money for longer hours and then stiffing the on their last check even while knowing they were going to let them all week while they finished their current job.
I get making kids “tougher”, but too many of those dudes were just shitty bosses. Ran off a lot of good young kids.
them days are over. It's the opposite now.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 6:32 pm to Seeker
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All that said, one of the biggest issues that I saw is 9/10 bosses, both mine and other subcontract groups, were lazy as frick and came to work everyday to swing their dick and be a douchebag. But they were the boss, so I put my head down, listened, and worked.
You could probably find this in most industries. But I always tell people that "construction" and "contracting" is such a broad term that encompasses so many different sub-industries. The kind of stuff you are referring to with these sh*t bosses is normally with random fly by night roofing or framing contractor, etc.. But legitimate, well established companies will tend to do a better job of weeding out those kind of people.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 6:47 pm to WWII Collector
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Its not just your trade or anything... It's these kids.
Opinionated, feeling of self entitlement,
I have also noticed this. After 6 months on the job they think they know everything and think they deserve promotions and whatnot. 6 months to them is like a lifetime. It's definitely a generational thing in my observation. To modern kids, 6 months on the job at entry level is considered "paying your dues" so to speak. Not even a full year into a new job/skill/career and they want a seat in the board room. One thing I've found that helps is when they get like that, teach them more things instead of just continually using them in the capacity they are already good at. As long as you keep them challenged and continually reminded they don't know everything, their attitude is better. Letting them get complacent and bored in a skill silo is where the attitude-rot begins.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 6:52 pm to tenfoe
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I don't disagree with many of the reasons others have posted on why kids don't get into trades. I will say many of the ones I deal with hiring after 4-6yrs of school and advanced degrees also suck. Half of them get out of school and think they can run their entire new firm. They suck at taking constructive feedback and think work is no more than 40.0 hours on a timesheet. Then they think they aren't paid enough, so they job hop every 24 months picking up small raises each time. I'm lucky to have the great young folks I have now working for me, but I've had to weed through a bunch of failures.
Good lord, this x100. I've worked with some really, really great new grads over the years, but, no joke, the most arrogant people I've met in my industry have been 22-23 year olds (when I wasn't much older, many moons ago) fresh out of school and convinced they can stand in front of a CEO and tell them how to run their business of 40 years.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 6:53 pm to Blueprint
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Mountain Dew.
You jumped the shark with that
Posted on 2/16/21 at 7:02 pm to deeprig9
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I have also noticed this. After 6 months on the job they think they know everything and think they deserve promotions and whatnot. 6 months to them is like a lifetime. It's definitely a generational thing in my observation. To modern kids, 6 months on the job at entry level is considered "paying your dues" so to speak. Not even a full year into a new job/skill/career and they want a seat in the board room.
haha... I been meaning to make a thread... But I remember when you could call a hardware store and the person that answered the phone was there 20 years, not 2 weeks.
You can go into a store and I know more about the product these kids are selling than they do...
Posted on 2/16/21 at 7:13 pm to Wally Sparks
Actual physical work to be paid, and most of the time hourly.
Instant gratification accompanied with a host of other shortcomings from this generation make them frown upon these vitals jobs.
Instant gratification accompanied with a host of other shortcomings from this generation make them frown upon these vitals jobs.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 7:21 pm to Forever
quote:you only have so much daylight...
but waking up at 4 AM to go to work needs to die with your generation. It’s unhealthy as shite, leads to lost productivity, and there’s no reason for it
But it’s hard to compete against illegal workers. That’s why the pay isn’t what it needs to be for younger people
Posted on 2/16/21 at 7:21 pm to burger bearcat
Somehow smug liberal arts grads believe they are superior to people who weld or run wiring, regardless of job opportunities.
The yuppie/hipster class is the most delusional group out there.
I loathe urban hipsters.
The yuppie/hipster class is the most delusional group out there.
I loathe urban hipsters.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 7:22 pm to Wednesday
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Plus- Dudes that can fix things are hot. I am intelligent and accomplished in a myriad of ways- but I can barely assemble something that comes with instructions. I never need a man more than in times of natural disasters or when something breaks
Hmu kiddo
Posted on 2/16/21 at 8:00 pm to burger bearcat
A big issue that the new generations face is that life expectancy is so damn long that you need to be able to do whatever you are doing well into the 60s (and at a decent level). The human body starts to fail a bit in the 50s, and a lot of tradesmen are physically and psychologically beat to shite by 50.
Also, most millennials grew up at a time where we learned that the banking systems that financed everything are a total sham. Kids took an attitude of "frick it, nothing matters" from that situation. We needed to let banks fail and punish people for cheating that level of capital from the economy. It undermined the concept of hard work - permanently. Working hard just gets you abused - and that's a sad thing to say.
They need to start introducing STRICT controls on qualifications for trades like they do for Architects and Engineers - and Contractors that try to cheat the system should be punished severely.
Also, most millennials grew up at a time where we learned that the banking systems that financed everything are a total sham. Kids took an attitude of "frick it, nothing matters" from that situation. We needed to let banks fail and punish people for cheating that level of capital from the economy. It undermined the concept of hard work - permanently. Working hard just gets you abused - and that's a sad thing to say.
They need to start introducing STRICT controls on qualifications for trades like they do for Architects and Engineers - and Contractors that try to cheat the system should be punished severely.
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