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re: Why are tariffs and illegal acts overlooked as a cause of the civil war?

Posted on 7/11/20 at 5:43 pm to
Posted by More&Les
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Posted on 7/11/20 at 5:43 pm to
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Also the fact that before the war began, Lincoln raised an army of 75000 troops without congressional authorization, as well as suspending habeus corpus without congressional approval.


As I pointed out earlier Lincoln called for the 75,000 volunteers 2 days after The Confederacy attacked Fort Sumter.

Also, the suspension of habeus corpus didn't occur until 1864 so its pretty disingenuous to use it as justification for the war that started in 1861 less than a month after Lincoln's inauguration.

You can criticize the SOHC if you want but it aint had shite to do with why Southern Democrats chose to secede and attack the United States.
Posted by More&Les
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Posted on 7/11/20 at 5:45 pm to
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Are we also pretending that Lincoln promised to not intervene in Southern slavery many times if the South didn't secede?


They seceded before Lincoln was even inaugurated, wtf are you even talking about
Posted by Auburn1968
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Posted on 7/11/20 at 5:51 pm to
The tariffs devastated the South's economy creating a decade long depression a generation before the rise of the abolitionist movement. Not surprisingly, the post Civil War tariffs rose to near the levels that started the Southern secessionist movement to start with. The North benefited greatly from those tariffs.

There are many reasons that the Civil War happened, but the deep animosity that arose between the regions played a key role.


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The Tariff of 1828 was a protective tariff passed by the Congress of the United States on May 19, 1828, designed to protect industry in the Northern United States. Created during the presidency of John Quincy Adams and enacted during the presidency of Andrew Jackson, it was labeled the "Tariff of Abominations" by its Southern detractors because of the effects it had on the Southern economy.


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This post was edited on 7/11/20 at 5:54 pm
Posted by DellTronJon
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Posted on 7/11/20 at 5:51 pm to
Because history is written by those who have hanged heroes.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 7/11/20 at 5:58 pm to
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They seceded before Lincoln was even inaugurated, wtf are you even talking about


Was he or was he not the president elect when they seceded?

A simple yes or no will suffice.
Posted by More&Les
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Posted on 7/11/20 at 6:03 pm to
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Was he or was he not the president elect when they seceded?



So the President elect has pre-inauguration powers to tarriff and raise armies and do all this shite that "forced" the Southern States to Secede?

Hell, Flynn is still being fricking prosecuted for making a transition phone call and you MFs act like Lincoln was able to cause a decade long depression in the few months he was waiting to be inaugurated
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 7/11/20 at 6:06 pm to
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So the President elect has pre-inauguration powers to tarriff and raise armies and do all this shite that "forced" the Southern States to Secede?



I thought you claimed it was all about slavery?

Seems like you're making my point for me.

Posted by GreenRockTiger
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Posted on 7/11/20 at 6:08 pm to
Ft. Sumter is located in South Carolina, which as you have stated, seceded in Dec of 1860.

So, the US Army shouldn't have been there.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 7/11/20 at 6:10 pm to
Exactly, nobody goes to war over a moral argument and people who believe we did are children.
Posted by More&Les
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 7/11/20 at 6:10 pm to
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I thought you claimed it was all about slavery


According to the statements (many of which have been posted here) of the actual Confederates, it was predominantly about slavery.

Was it the ONLY factor, no, that would be ludicrous to think, but it was the driving factor.

And to lay the Confederacy and CW at Lincoln's feet is the most disingenuous and disrespectful bullshite Ive ever heard.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 7/11/20 at 6:11 pm to
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Ft. Sumter is located in South Carolina, which as you have stated, seceded in Dec of 1860.

So, the US Army shouldn't have been there.


And he compares it to Pearl Harbor.

Posted by SidewalkTiger
Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 7/11/20 at 6:13 pm to
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According to the statements (many of which have been posted here) of the actual Confederates, it was predominantly about slavery.


So, as you've stated, the CSA seceded, organized an army, and started a war "predominantly" over slavery despite the fact that no one had came for their slaves yet and the incoming president had made it very clear that he wouldn't get involved in Southern slavery?

Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 7/11/20 at 6:15 pm to
Can you be more specific? What about slavery did the south need so badly that it meant going to war? Because if you think they needed “to keep the black man down” or something along those lines you’re wrong. Why would non slave owners volunteer to fight and continue to fight long after it was over?
Posted by More&Les
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 7/11/20 at 6:21 pm to
South Carolina ceded Fort Sumter to the United States 20 something years before the war, it was a US Federal Military installation

How yall feel if Castro jr said gtfo of Guantanamo, should we apologize and boogie?
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 7/11/20 at 6:22 pm to
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How yall feel if Castro jr said gtfo of Guantanamo, should we apologize and boogie?


You think we'd have fought a war over it?
Posted by Plx1776
Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 7/11/20 at 6:23 pm to
Because history has been rewritten.
Posted by More&Les
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 7/11/20 at 6:27 pm to
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Because if you think they needed “to keep the black man down” or something along those lines you’re wrong.


Gtfo with this bullshite
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 7/11/20 at 6:29 pm to
Wow you’re ignorant
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 7/11/20 at 6:33 pm to
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The North won so they got to make the war about something noble and right like ending slavery.


When you win your war you get to control the propaganda and write the history.
Posted by More&Les
Member since Nov 2012
14684 posts
Posted on 7/11/20 at 6:35 pm to
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despite the fact that no one had came for their slaves yet and the incoming president had made it very clear that he wouldn't get involved in Southern slavery?


Ya'll keep answering questions not raised. I dgaf what Lincoln said or didn't say. You simply cannot imply that Lincoln caused the Confederacy, which came into existence BEFORE he became President. Nor can you say he started the CW since The Confederacy ATTACKED the USA just 3 weeks into his fricking presidency.

The Democrats wanted Power so they formed their own country when the lost the election, and they chose war.

Its 100% on the Democrats, period.
This post was edited on 7/11/20 at 6:36 pm
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