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re: Why are tariffs and illegal acts overlooked as a cause of the civil war?
Posted on 7/11/20 at 6:36 pm to SidewalkTiger
Posted on 7/11/20 at 6:36 pm to SidewalkTiger
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You think we'd have fought a war over it?
If Cuba attacked Guantanamo? Yea, pretty sure
Posted on 7/11/20 at 6:38 pm to More&Les
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You simply cannot imply that Lincoln caused the Confederacy, which came into existence BEFORE he became President.
Who said he did?
Posted on 7/11/20 at 6:38 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Who said he did?
The op....
Posted on 7/11/20 at 6:39 pm to More&Les
Was SC asked to cede Ft. Sumter, like they had been with the other forts??
The US and Cuba have had an agreement of sorts since the early 1900s concerning Guantanamo - Castro never cashed the rent checks from the US ... and he never tried to get rid of the US presence either.
The governor of SC repeatedly asked Pres. Buchanan to give up Ft. Sumter. There was no such agreement.
The US and Cuba have had an agreement of sorts since the early 1900s concerning Guantanamo - Castro never cashed the rent checks from the US ... and he never tried to get rid of the US presence either.
The governor of SC repeatedly asked Pres. Buchanan to give up Ft. Sumter. There was no such agreement.
Posted on 7/11/20 at 6:40 pm to Parmen
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Why is this so often overlooked?
Probably because states themselves cited slavery as the linchpin issue.
Posted on 7/11/20 at 6:40 pm to SidewalkTiger
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So, as you've stated, the CSA seceded, organized an army, and started a war "predominantly" over slavery despite the fact that no one had came for their slaves yet and the incoming president had made it very clear that he wouldn't get involved in Southern slavery?
“One section of our country believes slavery is right, and ought to be extended, while the other believes it is wrong, and ought not to be extended. This is the only substantial dispute.” Lincoln, March 4, 1861
Give up on the confederacy and pull for America
Posted on 7/11/20 at 6:41 pm to friendlysnek
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“One section of our country believes slavery is right, and ought to be extended, while the other believes it is wrong, and ought not to be extended. This is the only substantial dispute.” Lincoln, March 4, 1861
Give up on the confederacy and pull for America
Do the rest of the quote
Posted on 7/11/20 at 6:43 pm to GreenRockTiger
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GreenRockTiger
Was SC asked to cede Ft. Sumter, like they had been with the other forts??
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Early in the nineteenth century, South Carolina had owned multiple forts, namely Fort Moultrie, Castle Pinckney, and Fort Johnson, but ceded them, along with sites for the future erection of forts, to the United States in 1805.[7] The forts were of questionable military value and costly to maintain, so when asked to cede them, the state complied.[8] This was not the last time that South Carolina would cede forts to the United States; on December 17, 1836, South Carolina officially ceded all "right, title and, claim" to the site of Fort Sumter to the United States.[9]
They ceded the forts so the American people would pay for their upkeep and construction which we did
Posted on 7/11/20 at 6:50 pm to Madking
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Wow you’re ignorant
Im ignorant because you make up sjw bullshite quotes to attribute to me?
My position on the CW, the Confederacy et, Al has nothing to do with the bullshite blm/msm narrative, its exactly the opposite.
The msm/blm retards are screaming about Dixie and the Confederate Monuments because "the White Man" and "Racist Republicans" but the truth is, its their fricking legacy, make them own it
Posted on 7/11/20 at 6:51 pm to More&Les
SJW? Lmfao yea you’re as ignorant as it gets. Only a fool or a child would believe that slave owners went to war with other slave owners over the moral issues of slavery..... Moron
This post was edited on 7/11/20 at 6:55 pm
Posted on 7/11/20 at 6:54 pm to More&Les
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The msm/blm retards are screaming about Dixie and the Confederate Monuments because "the White Man" and "Racist Republicans" but the truth is, its their fricking legacy, make them own it
Slavery wasn't technically a racist institution which is a better argument than muh Democrats were the party of slavery.
Posted on 7/11/20 at 6:55 pm to Madking
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SJW? Lmfao yea you’re as ignorant as it gets. Only a fool or a child would believe that slave owners went to war with other slave owners over the moral issues of slavery. Moron
First, gfy.
I said sjw because you implied i was fighting the "keeping the black man down" narrative.
I again, I dgaf WHY they went to war.
It was DEMOCRATS that created the Confederacy and Started the fricking war, DEMOCRATS.
That's really my only fricking point.
frick Democrats.
Posted on 7/11/20 at 6:58 pm to More&Les
-I didn’t say that you just can’t read.
-if you don’t care wtf are you doing arguing about it?
-Muh Democrats neither refutes anything said here or has anything to do with the discussion. Everyone knows what they are. Lincoln was the first republican President so the slavery issue predates the modern parties.
-Yes I agree “frick Democrats”, next time know wtf you’re talking about before you start attacking someone.
-if you don’t care wtf are you doing arguing about it?
-Muh Democrats neither refutes anything said here or has anything to do with the discussion. Everyone knows what they are. Lincoln was the first republican President so the slavery issue predates the modern parties.
-Yes I agree “frick Democrats”, next time know wtf you’re talking about before you start attacking someone.
This post was edited on 7/11/20 at 7:03 pm
Posted on 7/11/20 at 6:59 pm to More&Les
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It was DEMOCRATS that created the Confederacy and Started the fricking war, DEMOCRATS.
I realize I'll be in the minority here but this is a tired argument.
Its ignorant to pretend that party idealogies haven't changed in the last 150 years.
Posted on 7/11/20 at 6:59 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Slavery wasn't technically a racist institution
Lol
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In what later became known as the Cornerstone Speech, Confederate Vice President Alexander H. Stephens declared that the "cornerstone" of the new government "rest[ed] upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery – subordination to the superior race – is his natural and normal condition.
Posted on 7/11/20 at 7:02 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Its ignorant to pretend that party idealogies haven't changed in the last 150 years.
Democrats still can't accept the will of the people and are still willing to do or say anything for power, so no, not much change
Posted on 7/11/20 at 7:04 pm to More&Les
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cornerstone" of the new government "rest[ed] upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man
Are we still pretending that many of those against slavery didnt share this exact view?
And also that there weren't Southern black slave owners?
Posted on 7/11/20 at 7:05 pm to More&Les
Yes, but from your own quote:
Were South Carolinians not Americans in 1805, or in 1836?
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so when asked to cede them, the state complied
Were South Carolinians not Americans in 1805, or in 1836?
Posted on 7/11/20 at 7:07 pm to Madking
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next time know wtf you’re talking about before you start attacking someone.
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Wow, you're ignorant
Is like where Lincoln started the civil war?
Tf?
Posted on 7/11/20 at 7:09 pm to Parmen
Because race and confederate imagery is being heavily used as political capital at the moment and this keeps people from being objective about historical events.
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