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Why are tariffs and illegal acts overlooked as a cause of the civil war?
Posted on 7/11/20 at 4:08 pm
Posted on 7/11/20 at 4:08 pm
The Morrill Tariff was designed to burden and punish the Southern states. The federal government in this time took almost all revenue from tariffs as there was not many federal agencies and programs and concepts of federal income taxes were not a thing yet.
There was also the Nullification Crisis were South Carolina almost rebelled against Andrew Jackson due to tariffs levied that drastically impact the Southern economies for the sake of helping the northern economies.
Also the fact that before the war began, Lincoln raised an army of 75000 troops without congressional authorization, as well as suspending habeus corpus without congressional approval.
Why is this so often overlooked?
There was also the Nullification Crisis were South Carolina almost rebelled against Andrew Jackson due to tariffs levied that drastically impact the Southern economies for the sake of helping the northern economies.
Also the fact that before the war began, Lincoln raised an army of 75000 troops without congressional authorization, as well as suspending habeus corpus without congressional approval.
Why is this so often overlooked?
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Posted on 7/11/20 at 4:09 pm to Parmen
A Civil War board would be good.
Posted on 7/11/20 at 4:10 pm to BuckyCheese
Indeed. The North invaded the South for money interests.
This post was edited on 7/11/20 at 4:11 pm
Posted on 7/11/20 at 4:25 pm to Parmen
Because the taffiffs were wrong and hard to justify other than say it enriched the North at the expense of the South.
The North won so they got to make the war about something noble and right like ending slavery.
The North won so they got to make the war about something noble and right like ending slavery.
Posted on 7/11/20 at 4:40 pm to Parmen
Tariffs and such just don’t fit the Yankee history as causes of the war. Only slavery does. And no mention that no slaves crossed the Atlantic in a ship flying a Confederate flag. It was a lucrative Northern business. Once the profits slowed and opinions turned, the Yankees sold their slaves and started working to ban slavery in the South.
Posted on 7/11/20 at 4:43 pm to Parmen
Lincoln was elected in November 1860
South Carolina's secession was official in December 1860 and by February the Confederacy had a government, a constitution and an army.
Lincoln was inaugurated in March 1861 and by April the Confederate army was attacking Fort Sumter.
The Confederacy started the Civil War, period. There's no doubt.
By the way, they were all Democrats
South Carolina's secession was official in December 1860 and by February the Confederacy had a government, a constitution and an army.
Lincoln was inaugurated in March 1861 and by April the Confederate army was attacking Fort Sumter.
The Confederacy started the Civil War, period. There's no doubt.
By the way, they were all Democrats
Posted on 7/11/20 at 4:45 pm to Parmen
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Indeed. The North invaded the South for money interests.
Ya'll remember when we invaded Japan at Pearl Harbor? Good times
Posted on 7/11/20 at 4:49 pm to Parmen
Probably because of how explicitly slavery was referenced in formal documents
Posted on 7/11/20 at 5:01 pm to Parmen
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Also the fact that before the war began, Lincoln raised an army of 75000 troops without congressional authorization, as well as suspending habeus corpus without congressional approva
Liar
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Davis ordered the bombardment of the fort (April 12–13), which marked the beginning of the American Civil War. Two days later Lincoln called for 75,000 volunteers
Posted on 7/11/20 at 5:04 pm to More&Les
Still whining 150+ years later.
The Civil War is rarely even brought up here in the North.
Probably because we won.
The Civil War is rarely even brought up here in the North.
Probably because we won.
Posted on 7/11/20 at 5:08 pm to Parmen
The South didn't have to draft. Its warriors were defending their homeland. The north had to force young men to fight.
That should say all that is needed to say.
That should say all that is needed to say.
Posted on 7/11/20 at 5:10 pm to Parmen
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Why are tariffs and illegal acts overlooked as a cause of the civil war?
Everyone talks about slavery and states rights but the war was really about economic determination.
Excellent post because almost no one really understands this as the root cause of the war.
Posted on 7/11/20 at 5:10 pm to Parmen
Because the Union won so they got t write the history...and the founders of the confederacy mostly cited slavery in their own written reasons for secession.
Imo, slavery was why the south left, the tariffs are why the north ran after them. Notice the first shots of the war were for the South to capture the fort from which the Union collected a huge chunk of those tariffs.
Imo, slavery was why the south left, the tariffs are why the north ran after them. Notice the first shots of the war were for the South to capture the fort from which the Union collected a huge chunk of those tariffs.
This post was edited on 7/11/20 at 5:11 pm
Posted on 7/11/20 at 5:15 pm to kingbob
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the confederacy mostly cited slavery in their own written reasons for secession.
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In what later became known as the Cornerstone Speech, Confederate Vice President Alexander H. Stephens declared that the "cornerstone" of the new government "rest[ed] upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery – subordination to the superior race – is his natural and normal condition.
This post was edited on 7/11/20 at 5:16 pm
Posted on 7/11/20 at 5:15 pm to Parmen
It was about money and power! Period.
Posted on 7/11/20 at 5:31 pm to 14&Counting
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Everyone talks about slavery and states rights but the war was really about economic determination.
Not according to the Democrats who started the Confederacy (and the War)
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South Carolina's casus belli:
...A geographical line has been drawn across the Union, and all the States north of that line have united in the election of a man to the high office of President of the United States, whose opinions and purposes are hostile to slavery. He is to be entrusted with the administration of the common Government, because he has declared that that “Government cannot endure permanently half slave, half free,” and that the public mind must rest in the belief that slavery is in the course of ultimate extinction. This sectional combination for the submersion of the Constitution, has been aided in some of the States by elevating to citizenship, persons who, by the supreme law of the land, are incapable of becoming citizens; and their votes have been used to inaugurate a new policy, hostile to the South, and destructive of its beliefs and safety.
This post was edited on 7/11/20 at 5:32 pm
Posted on 7/11/20 at 5:32 pm to Parmen
Because racism
ETA - Big Government always gonna Big Government. And the USA has a long tradition of saying “bow to big government and the taxes it brings, or you’re a racist.”
ETA - Big Government always gonna Big Government. And the USA has a long tradition of saying “bow to big government and the taxes it brings, or you’re a racist.”
This post was edited on 7/11/20 at 5:34 pm
Posted on 7/11/20 at 5:33 pm to Wednesday
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Because racism
You misspelled Democrats
<3 :)
Posted on 7/11/20 at 5:36 pm to More&Les
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In what later became known as the Cornerstone Speech, Confederate Vice President Alexander H. Stephens declared that the "cornerstone" of the new government "rest[ed] upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man
Are we pretending Lincoln and the vast majority of the "moral North" didn't hold this exact opinion?
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that slavery – subordination to the superior race – is his natural and normal condition.
Are we also pretending that Lincoln promised to not intervene in Southern slavery many times if the South didn't secede?
Posted on 7/11/20 at 5:38 pm to AthensTiger
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It was a lucrative Northern business
It was the entire economy of New Hampshire. Slaves and rum. Same boat.
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