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re: Why are boomer parents so dedicated to the college scam?
Posted on 3/27/23 at 6:42 pm to Ten Bears
Posted on 3/27/23 at 6:42 pm to Ten Bears
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Avg lifetime earnings:
High School diploma: $1.6mm or $47,500/ year avg
College degree: $2.8mm or $70K/ year avg
Master's Degree: $3.2MM or $80K/year avg
I have no idea why anyone would consider college.
Averaging hides more than it reveals in this case.
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Posted on 3/27/23 at 6:45 pm to Auburn1968
State Farm agents, regardless of degree status, make more than all of us. The just *decent* ones are nearly into F U money.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 6:50 pm to burger bearcat
Mine had no choice, i was offered a Union, 60K+(with ot) job out of HS at age 18. They told me to tell college to go fark itself, and I could get my employer to pay for any trades or classes i wanted to take later.
sadly i didnt do that, i wanted to take hvac, plumbing, car repair. those are worth their weight in gold, especially when you own your own home.
sadly i didnt do that, i wanted to take hvac, plumbing, car repair. those are worth their weight in gold, especially when you own your own home.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 7:11 pm to burger bearcat
Well my Daughter got her degree from VA Tech and now works at Mckesson.
DDM - Diplomas Do Matter
DDM - Diplomas Do Matter
Posted on 3/27/23 at 7:21 pm to SeeeeK
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hvac, plumbing, car repair.
If it was 20 years ago, and I realized that I could be rrrriiiich if I ran a plumbing or trades business, as opposed to being a plumber, I would have been all in on the trades. I didn't make the connection to being a boss vs. being a trades employee until it was too late.
Don't drive the truck, own the trucks. Print money. Or get a Psych degree, have to get a masters degree to get a job, end up 150k in debt, and work in HR. You do you boo.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 7:22 pm to burger bearcat
Depending on the employer, a college degree is required.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 7:24 pm to burger bearcat
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My MIL still believes college is absolutely essential and it would be criminal for us not to blow $100K on some pointless generic business degree with minors in beer pong and critical hate white people theory.
You know, now stay with me here, it’s possible to go to college and not get a pointless degree?
Posted on 3/27/23 at 7:25 pm to burger bearcat
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I have never once been asked about my college degree or GPA or any of that in a job interview.
What do you do?
Posted on 3/27/23 at 7:28 pm to burger bearcat
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I have never once been asked about my college degree or GPA or any of that in a job interview.
I don't know what career field you're in or what experience level you're at, but I've never asked anyone about degrees or GPA in an interview. It was still something that was looked at throughout the process.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 7:34 pm to burger bearcat
College is not for everyone, and I know many non college grads doing VERY WELL financially.
Now, more then ever, campuses are liberal-progressive indoctrination centers....expensive, too!
Now, more then ever, campuses are liberal-progressive indoctrination centers....expensive, too!
Posted on 3/27/23 at 7:59 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
I'd hire someone that grew a carwash business in Ruston in revenue 30% YoY faster than I'd hire someone with a business degree from (insert SEC school here.)
Once you're two or three years out of school, people are supposed to realize, "I got a Computer Science degree from Stanford and studied a lot of LISP and Fortran" carries far less weight than, "I read customer requirements and built my project to them."
Do you *really* care if someone went to Bowling Green, OSU, IU, Purdue, Kentucky, Louisville? Really? Or do you want them to be a team player that is adaptable? You know what the right answer is, but I'm sure you don't want to state it.
Fifteen years ago I might have had a supporting point for going for a degree. Have you seen college grads since 2000ish? What is a university degree giving me, as an employer, that I couldn't get from someone that, for instance, did two years of freelance tech/consulting work after high school?
Once you're two or three years out of school, people are supposed to realize, "I got a Computer Science degree from Stanford and studied a lot of LISP and Fortran" carries far less weight than, "I read customer requirements and built my project to them."
Do you *really* care if someone went to Bowling Green, OSU, IU, Purdue, Kentucky, Louisville? Really? Or do you want them to be a team player that is adaptable? You know what the right answer is, but I'm sure you don't want to state it.
Fifteen years ago I might have had a supporting point for going for a degree. Have you seen college grads since 2000ish? What is a university degree giving me, as an employer, that I couldn't get from someone that, for instance, did two years of freelance tech/consulting work after high school?
Posted on 3/27/23 at 8:16 pm to LemmyLives
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Do you *really* care if someone went to Bowling Green, OSU, IU, Purdue, Kentucky, Louisville? Really? Or do you want them to be a team player that is adaptable?
A college degree doesn't preclude someone from having those soft skills.
I hear this stupid shite all the time, and it's just wrong. If I can get the same candidate with a degree or without a degree, the choice isn't really even a choice.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 4:05 pm to LemmyLives
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That's BS. Unis do prefer out of state students because of the extra money, but out of state fees get waived or granted repeatedly depending on the kid.
Maybe you don't recall when TOPS was passed, but nearly 30 years ago, when I read the text of the law, I predicted that "fees" which weren't covered, would become the majority of "tuition." The majority of the numbers published by LSU here are bullshite, because it cost me more to attend school (without booze and brunches) decades ago. Do you not notice at this link (PDF warning) the amount of straight fees? I surely should already know why kids need to be charged an "Academic Excellence" fee in addition to a "Student Excellence" fee. And a building use fee, the technology fee, an "operational" fee, etc. Operational fee? WTF? Is that for garbage removal from the quad?
Undergrad *tuition* fees go from $4002.55 a semester for a 12 hour load to 4014.55 for an extra class (15 hours.) But if you drop to 11 hours (barely part time) tuition drops to $2885 (not including fees, same as the full time quotes.) A single credit hour vaults you from $2885 to $4012. Why? What's the justification?
This doesn't change the fact that outside of certain professions, the degree only teaches you how to follow rules on how to graduate. That does have a value, but not "$60k" worth of value. There are other places where they pay you to learn the same rule in 6-12 weeks, and it's called basic training.
College has been social posturing for parents and kids for at least 20 years.
Community colleges in Louisiana, if you live at home and have TOPS, cost around $500 per semester for up to 15 hours.
If you lived in the Baton Rouge area, lived at home and went to BRCC for two years and LSU for two years, you could graduate with about $10,000 out of pocket ($500 per semester at JUCO and $2,000 per semester at LSU). This doesn't include books, because that varies wildly by major, so add a couple more thousand. Still cheap, if you want it to be.
The point is that college can be extremely expensive or extremely cheap. The difference is personal choices.
This post was edited on 3/28/23 at 4:15 pm
Posted on 3/28/23 at 4:08 pm to burger bearcat
Boomers feel bad for voting for nafta and getting rid of all the fun factory and mining jobs to where their kids will never have a shot at a fulfilling career
Now all millenials are forced to work in a call center
Now all millenials are forced to work in a call center
Posted on 3/28/23 at 4:12 pm to LemmyLives
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If it was 20 years ago, and I realized that I could be rrrriiiich if I ran a plumbing or trades business, as opposed to being a plumber, I would have been all in on the trades. I didn't make the connection to being a boss vs. being a trades employee until it was too late.
You can’t own a plumbing business in Louisiana unless you’re a plumber
You gotta be a master too
Posted on 3/28/23 at 4:58 pm to burger bearcat
I worked on commercial ships and rigs. Education is very important, however I believe that grad school is now the standard for those in college.
I worked with some great people who had little education. They were hard workers and had operational smarts, but if they get fired or laid off they are limited in what is next for them. Plus these dudes work all day every day in the blazing heat.
We had a paint crew who were rock stars (country whites and blacks). They worked 75% of the year, 12 hours a day, in the hot sun. I often wondered how they could do that job long term. I would not have lasted a week. My hats off to them, but I saw firsthand what education can do for you.
I worked with some great people who had little education. They were hard workers and had operational smarts, but if they get fired or laid off they are limited in what is next for them. Plus these dudes work all day every day in the blazing heat.
We had a paint crew who were rock stars (country whites and blacks). They worked 75% of the year, 12 hours a day, in the hot sun. I often wondered how they could do that job long term. I would not have lasted a week. My hats off to them, but I saw firsthand what education can do for you.
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