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Why are any of you scared of a War with China? Seriously.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 1:24 am
Posted on 6/6/22 at 1:24 am
Real talk, when is the last time that China had a military "conflict" that would have gained them Officers with real combat experience?
The US just had a 20 year "Engagement" that garnered us combat experienced Command, most who probably started out as combat participants 20 years ago and advanced through their experience and effectiveness in the arena.
The two biggest "Boogeymen" in the world - Russia and China _ do not have that at all. Hell, China has less military experience than Russia has.
We are seeing how ineffective Russia's Command is, so why is the Poli Board so scared of a conflict with China? We would absolutely crush them if we fought them head to head.
The US just had a 20 year "Engagement" that garnered us combat experienced Command, most who probably started out as combat participants 20 years ago and advanced through their experience and effectiveness in the arena.
The two biggest "Boogeymen" in the world - Russia and China _ do not have that at all. Hell, China has less military experience than Russia has.
We are seeing how ineffective Russia's Command is, so why is the Poli Board so scared of a conflict with China? We would absolutely crush them if we fought them head to head.
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Posted on 6/6/22 at 1:40 am to magildachunks
China could fight a very strong war, but they'd never want it. Ultimately, a Chinese-American war would re-strengthen the West and its Pacific allies as China manufacturing and business relationships would be severed for decades. Interwar would be hell but we'd come out stronger and China much weaker. Also, China does not need a traditional war. They have enough influence in the right places that they can weaken its adversaries through policy.
It's always funny to me that people think Russia and China are working hand in hand, planning a German-Japanese type of attack starting WW3. It's all Cold War nonsense. China wants none of that: China wants the US and Russia to go to war because they would profit immensely by producing for both sides.
It's always funny to me that people think Russia and China are working hand in hand, planning a German-Japanese type of attack starting WW3. It's all Cold War nonsense. China wants none of that: China wants the US and Russia to go to war because they would profit immensely by producing for both sides.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 1:40 am to magildachunks
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The US just had a 20 year "Engagement" that garnered us combat experienced Command, most who probably started out as combat participants 20 years ago and advanced through their experience and effectiveness in the arena.
Failure is not great experience
Posted on 6/6/22 at 1:49 am to magildachunks
I don’t think anyone really fears China. My enemy is in Washington DC. I don’t give a shite about China and don’t want Americans dying (and a lot would die) fighting a war with them.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 1:51 am to magildachunks
We are already at war with China. While you and people like you are teaching children about drag queens and telling them basic biology doesn’t exist, the Chinese are teaching their children the value of masculinity and STEM.
They’re winning.
They’re winning.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 2:02 am to TigerOnTheMountain
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While you and people like you are teaching children about drag queens and telling them basic biology doesn’t exist, the Chinese are teaching their children the value of masculinity and STEM.
I don't hold to the philosophy that gender is fluid.
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Chinese are teaching their children the value of masculinity and STEM.
What does STEM have to do with masculinity?
My sister is an Engineer. Is she less of an engineer because she is a girl?
I'd say she's more of an engineer for being a respected female in a male-dominated field.
And she is way more right leaning than I am on the political spectrum.
ETA: I acknowledge that you may not have meant to associate the two with each other, but the way you phrased your point makes it seem that way.
This post was edited on 6/6/22 at 2:04 am
Posted on 6/6/22 at 2:03 am to magildachunks
Extremely hard to predict the outcome militarily for the reasons you listed above. China will likely be better at asymetric warfare - 'low cost / high concept' war than we will. No one can predict.
What is certain though is their odds of winning are increasing fast in the short run with the direction of this country due to Democrats and RINOs.
Winnie the Pooh is watching his odds go up but not forever since they'll face a demographic nightmare by the end of this decade. If they plan to go from economic warfare to full blown military warfare, it will be before that takes place.
What is certain though is their odds of winning are increasing fast in the short run with the direction of this country due to Democrats and RINOs.
Winnie the Pooh is watching his odds go up but not forever since they'll face a demographic nightmare by the end of this decade. If they plan to go from economic warfare to full blown military warfare, it will be before that takes place.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 2:05 am to Browncd81
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What is certain though is their odds of winning are increasing fast in the short run with the direction of this country due to Democrats and RINOs.
How so?
Elaborate, please.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 2:05 am to magildachunks
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What does STEM have to do with masculinity?
Where did he say those topics that they'll use to dominate us are related?
Posted on 6/6/22 at 2:07 am to Browncd81
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Where did he say those topics that they'll use to dominate us are related?
I acknowleged that they probably weren't, and I don't think they were.
But it could have been phrased better.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 2:08 am to Bulldogblitz
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Failure is not great experience
Of course it is.
You can learn more from failure than you can from success.
The trick is to learn why you failed.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 2:14 am to magildachunks
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What is certain though is their odds of winning are increasing fast in the short run with the direction of this country due to Democrats and RINOs.
How so?
Elaborate, please.
I'll answer that by asking you a question - how do you think our society is doing directionally?
For me, the answer is downhill.
Specifically militarily, a lot of data points concern me. The last 2 navy shipbuilding programs - the LCS and Zumwalt class before that - were complete disasters. On the ground, we embarrassed ourselves in Afghanistan. I fear standards and accountability across the board are not what were when I served 15 years ago
Posted on 6/6/22 at 2:24 am to magildachunks
The way to beat China in a war is simple, walk away. Stop trading with them and they will die. They can't feed themselves nor do they have the energy to keep the lights on. They have no economy without the ability to export to the US and elsewhere. They are incredibly fragile.
In terms of an active war it depends on what you mean. Invading China? HELL NO. However China has no real ability to project military power more than 1000 miles from their coast, they simply don't have ships capable of it. Of course they have nukes so that makes them dangerous.
So where and what do you go to war with China over? Taiwan is the obvious answer but that's going to be a disaster for them if they try.
Taiwan has a million man army with 3/4x in Reserves and every adult on the island has had to have military training by law. They have had 70 years to prepare and 100 miles of ocean that China has to cross just to get started.
Japan? Nope, Japan has a far superior Navy to China and China has never been able to successfully invade Japan for thousands of years for good reason.
India? Himalayas have made that impossible and always will.
Vietnam? They tried before after we left with disastrous results.
Korea Part II? Not likely.
Russia? Hell that's more likely than most of the rest. With Russia distracted in the East there is a chance China could invade the West. Very, very unlikely though.
In terms of an active war it depends on what you mean. Invading China? HELL NO. However China has no real ability to project military power more than 1000 miles from their coast, they simply don't have ships capable of it. Of course they have nukes so that makes them dangerous.
So where and what do you go to war with China over? Taiwan is the obvious answer but that's going to be a disaster for them if they try.
Taiwan has a million man army with 3/4x in Reserves and every adult on the island has had to have military training by law. They have had 70 years to prepare and 100 miles of ocean that China has to cross just to get started.
Japan? Nope, Japan has a far superior Navy to China and China has never been able to successfully invade Japan for thousands of years for good reason.
India? Himalayas have made that impossible and always will.
Vietnam? They tried before after we left with disastrous results.
Korea Part II? Not likely.
Russia? Hell that's more likely than most of the rest. With Russia distracted in the East there is a chance China could invade the West. Very, very unlikely though.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 2:30 am to Browncd81
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'll answer that by asking you a question - how do you think our society is doing directionally?
I'd say it's at the worst plateaued.
If you watch the media and focus on all the social media crap, then you'd think that our society is reflective of what you see on those mediums.
But it's not. That shite is not the real world. Those "influencers" are not the voice of America, no matter what side of the political spectrum they espouse.
If you go out into the world and interact with everyday people, you will find that the vast majority of Americans do not hold to the beliefs of either side that are loudly vocalised on those platforms.
We are the silent majority who just wants to be left alone and doesn't want either of the fringe groups on the wings have control.
That's why Trump lost. Not because most of America disagreed with him or didn't like some of his policies, but because he started catering to the extreme wing of the Right and enjoyed the celebrity they gave him. His ego was what failed him.
He beat Hillary because of the same reason. She was an unlikable c*nt who catered to the lunatics on the left.
Kamala will never win President for the same reason.
America isn't a Left/Right divided country. We are a "Stuck in the Middle with You" Country, held hostage by two radical parties controlled by extremists.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 5:41 am to SleepyJoe
No Chinese has ever called me a LOLbertarian.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 6:01 am to magildachunks
quote:How much military experience does pushing a button require?
The two biggest "Boogeymen" in the world - Russia and China _ do not have that at all. Hell, China has less military experience than Russia has.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 6:02 am to magildachunks
What is Chinas nuclear capability?
We can’t cower but to want or provoke is madness. Any skirmish with China or Russia can lead to nukes flying. One can lead to 100. Then none of this matters.
We can’t cower but to want or provoke is madness. Any skirmish with China or Russia can lead to nukes flying. One can lead to 100. Then none of this matters.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 6:03 am to magildachunks
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ETA: I acknowledge that you may not have meant to associate the two with each other, but the way you phrased your point makes it seem that way.
Actually - no. the way it was phrased was just right. Its like saying I'd like my kids to be smart and strong = no need to say both if they mean the same. That would be like saying I want them to be pretty and good-looking.
But - congrats on recognizing that your original response was a little off. That is a great quality to have -
Posted on 6/6/22 at 6:04 am to Bulldogblitz
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Failure is not great experience
Just in the general sense, failure is fine if you learn from it.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 6:09 am to magildachunks
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The trick is to learn why you failed.
We learned that we need more trannies and gay propaganda in the military.
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