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re: WHO was the “bad guy” of WWII?

Posted on 9/15/24 at 4:24 pm to
Posted by BuckI
Grove City, Ohio
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Posted on 9/15/24 at 4:24 pm to
Anything with Hitler's signature on it was not worth the paper it was written on.
Posted by Lord of the Hogs
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Posted on 9/15/24 at 4:29 pm to
Chamberlain was PM when Britain declared war on Germany. Chamberlain wanted to keep the peace because the British army was in no condition for a big war. Apparently, they thought they were a year later, and he was replaced when British forces were failing.
Posted by Lord of the Hogs
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Posted on 9/15/24 at 4:33 pm to
Hitler even said that when it came to dealing with democracies, men that want peace are easily replaced by warmongers.
Posted by RollTide1987
Baltimore, MD
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 9/15/24 at 4:38 pm to
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Well, where was Britain and France when the Soviet Union invaded Poland just two weeks after Germany did?


Their guarantee to Poland was made explicitly to deter German aggression. While there was talk of potentially declaring war on the Soviet Union after Red Army forces crossed into eastern Poland, they decided not to do this. However, the Allies came precariously close to attacking the Soviet Union during the Winter War of 1939-40. With Finland struggling to hold on, the British wanted to bomb the Russian oilfields around Baku. They also discussed landing troops in northern Norway, marching them across Sweden, and into Finland to help them fight the Red Army. That's one of the reasons why the Norwegian campaign eventually went down in the spring of 1940.

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Hitler actually offered peace several times only for Britain and France to ignore him. Hitler only invaded other countries like Belgium or the Netherlands, for example, to secure strategic areas that could’ve been used as staging areas for attacks on Germany.


Oh, yeah. Hitler definitely offered peace to the Allies. Just like he promised Britain and France he was done with expansion after taking the Sudetenland - only to go back on his word and occupy the remainder of Czechoslovakia. And while he was telling Britain and France that he wanted peace in October 1939, he was telling his generals to move the army from Poland back to the west for an invasion of France the following month.

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Of course, German troops would’ve been pulled back if any peace deals were reached.



Funny...because when Britain told Hitler that for any peace negotiations to begin, Hitler would have to withdraw his forces from Poland as a sign of good faith, despite being committed to peace, Hitler scoffed at this idea.
This post was edited on 9/15/24 at 4:40 pm
Posted by BuckI
Grove City, Ohio
Member since Oct 2020
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Posted on 9/15/24 at 4:40 pm to
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Hitler even said that when it came to dealing with democracies, men that want peace are easily replaced by warmongers.
Hitler was a warmonger.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 9/15/24 at 4:42 pm to
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Hitler only invaded other countries like Belgium or the Netherlands, for example, to secure strategic areas that could’ve been used as staging areas for attacks on Germany. Countries like Denmark or Norway, to secure supply lines for vital resources, such as iron ore.


Correct

Hitler only invaded countries to gain control and to take their resources.

The guy was really a Hippie.
Posted by BuckI
Grove City, Ohio
Member since Oct 2020
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Posted on 9/15/24 at 4:47 pm to
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Correct

Hitler only invaded countries to gain control and to take their resources.

The guy was really a Hippie.
Hitler the happy hippie.
Posted by CR4090
Member since Apr 2023
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Posted on 9/15/24 at 7:23 pm to
Besides Stalin and Hitler, I don't think Churchill and the Brits were as innocent as they are made to seem. I will never understand why we had to make Europe first a priority when Japan attacked us first. Not saying we shouldn't have helped them but our interests should have came first.

And the Brits Middle East meddling is shite we are still dealing with today.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
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Posted on 9/15/24 at 7:25 pm to
The representatives of the Entente at Versailles
Posted by CR4090
Member since Apr 2023
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Posted on 9/15/24 at 7:39 pm to
I agree. His love of Mussolini is puzzling.

As for Japan, they tugged on Superman's cape and found out. But it's not like we weren't bullying them. Essentially for doing the same things we were doing.

Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 9/15/24 at 7:53 pm to
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Hitler essentially asked Britain to accept his dominance of central and western Europe while allowing him a free hand to invade eastern Europe. Why should the British, in good faith and conscience, have accepted those terms?


That's a better outcome for the UK, the war bankrupts them, and sends them into a terminal decline.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
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Posted on 9/16/24 at 7:03 am to
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That's a better outcome for the UK, the war bankrupts them, and sends them into a terminal decline.


Turning them into the conquered nation of soyboys they are today.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 9/16/24 at 7:09 am to
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Turning them into the conquered nation of soyboys they are today.


I assume their ruling class was also replaced, or at least sidelined, like ours was


I'm sure other people have made the point, but compare prewar architecture to post war architecture, it's as if they were built by completely different civilisations.

Posted by LB84
Member since May 2016
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Posted on 9/16/24 at 7:22 am to
History is never black and white. Hitler was obviously deranged and took very "evil" actions. Churchill's and the 1940s democrat's policy from WW2 has taken the western world down the path it is currently on though which is destroying the core of the west. Even Eisenhower warned us of the MIC but he himself didn't take any actions to dismantle or weaken it. Now it outright controls this nation.
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