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Posted on 12/12/16 at 11:13 am to cajunangelle
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The current President of the United States not only had an opinion regarding BiBi. He sent the Obama GOTV machine TO ISRAEL to campaign against BiBi. But that is somehow okay... because the great powerful Oz Obama did it?
I just don't understand reactions like this.
When have I ever stuck up for Obama? Why is your knee jerk response "Obama did it HOW IS THAT OK!!!"
Exactly, Obama did it, and it wasn't some dirty underhanded thing. Inappropriate maybe. Same for Russia.
I personally think Obama's involvement was ridiculous.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 11:14 am to udtiger
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Yes...the American electorate made its decision on the recommendations of Russian bureaucrats.
Another dumb response from someone who literally didn't bother to read a statement I made about two lines away from this one.
Hive/groupthink mentality from the dim witted.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 11:17 am to stout
Not me.... They blamed the Sony hacks on the N. Koreans and we know it was probably an inside job. CIA and FBI have been completely politicized by Obama. You pretty much have to not believe anything they say.
Dem Adam Schiff would not come out and say the Russians hacked Podesta's emails the other night on Tucker. He knows the NYT's piece is full of holes. Eff em all.
Dem Adam Schiff would not come out and say the Russians hacked Podesta's emails the other night on Tucker. He knows the NYT's piece is full of holes. Eff em all.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 11:18 am to Eric Nies Grind Time
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All I know is Trump publicly asked Russia for hacking help. le guillotine time for Comrade Trump
Not a trump fan here, but this claim has always been ridiculous.
Clinton had an unsecure server. All nations hack. Trump asked for Russia to release what they had because they probably had it. It was a shot at Clinton and the DoJ/FBI/State, not a plea for Russians to hack.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 11:21 am to stout
I personally believe anyone buying this nonsense at face value is either a complete imbecile or just clinging to whatever they can because they have the red arse about trump winning when they said he could not/would not win.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 11:21 am to Hawkeye95
quote:That right there is fake news.
What does help mean?
Were those tied to russia involved (some) of the hacks? Yes
Were those tied to russia involved in promoting hacked materials? Yes
Was their aim to disrupt the election? Yes
Did they prefer trumnp to hillary? yes
Did those tied to russia circulate "fake" news? Yes
But did they say, hey, how can we get trump elected? I don't think they did. They were far more successful than they could have hoped though.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 11:24 am to DelU249
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I personally believe anyone buying this nonsense at face value is either a complete imbecile or just clinging to whatever they can because they have the red arse about trump winning when they said he could not/would not win.
This, and I'll add one more.
They don't believe the Russians hacked, but are playing on the ignorance of their voters to cast doubt on Trumps legitimacy.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 11:26 am to SoulGlo
Which is a bad idea
They're calling voters too stupid to discern between fake news and real news and they're calling them gullible saying they were had by Russians
It's really going to backfire. Insulting voters at every turn this year and what did it get them?
They're calling voters too stupid to discern between fake news and real news and they're calling them gullible saying they were had by Russians
It's really going to backfire. Insulting voters at every turn this year and what did it get them?
Posted on 12/12/16 at 11:27 am to stout
I think its more to try to influence the electors and to deflect the fact that the Clintons and the liberal press are corrupt. It is more important to the liberals to have people think that Russia is still our enemy and that Trump won totally because of Russia. Remember during a debate Obama blasted Romney as a idiot to think that Russia is still our enemy? Well now that seems to be the focus.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 11:27 am to Pettifogger
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Sure it does. Say it matters less than the emails themselves, but Russia hacking an American political party (if this happened) to try and expose their actions absolutely "matters," doesn't it?
At the end of the day, a private entity -the DNC- was hacked because they elected shite for cyber security. No different than any other company. Podesta was phished, and that happened because he is a moron.
She lead in polls for months after the convention so the idea that she would have won if the DNC hacks hadn't happened is a fantasy cooked up by liberals who - and I can't believe I'm writing this - are currently cooking up schemes to try and overturn a free and fair American election.
Liberals want to scare the shite out of everyone with their talk of fascism and corporate oligarchs. Scaring minorities with lies about internment camps. These same liberals, as we speak, are hatching plans to steal the election from its rightful winner. This would be the purest act of treason our country has ever known.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 11:30 am to DelU249
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I personally believe anyone buying this nonsense at face value is either a complete imbecile or just clinging to whatever they can because they have the red arse about trump winning when they said he could not/would not win.
its pretty clear that we need an investigation into the matter to sort out what happened. The allegation is very serious, we need to find out what, why and who. I don't see how anyone could be against it.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 11:32 am to stout
I don't believe in the real whack-job theories like Putin hacking into voting machines.
But otherwise, they did have motive. They knew what they would get with Hillary - a continuation of the sanctions, which are hurting Russia's economy. With Trump, they have a guy who's a blank slate who at the very least was flattered by Putin's compliments and thus more receptive to Putin, and at the most is someone who has thought this through, wants to "get past" Russia invading Crimea and normalize relations.
It would make sense then that they would try to hack Podesta's email account or encourage the spread of "fake news." They did similar things in Soviet days, and by the way, we've done similar things too. The CIA used to drop off truckloads of cash to political allies in Europe for their elections, and Obama clearly tried to use the State Department to help turn out Israeli Arabs against Netanyahu in 2015. Anyone who thinks these kinds of things don't happen are kidding themselves.
But otherwise, they did have motive. They knew what they would get with Hillary - a continuation of the sanctions, which are hurting Russia's economy. With Trump, they have a guy who's a blank slate who at the very least was flattered by Putin's compliments and thus more receptive to Putin, and at the most is someone who has thought this through, wants to "get past" Russia invading Crimea and normalize relations.
It would make sense then that they would try to hack Podesta's email account or encourage the spread of "fake news." They did similar things in Soviet days, and by the way, we've done similar things too. The CIA used to drop off truckloads of cash to political allies in Europe for their elections, and Obama clearly tried to use the State Department to help turn out Israeli Arabs against Netanyahu in 2015. Anyone who thinks these kinds of things don't happen are kidding themselves.
This post was edited on 12/12/16 at 11:33 am
Posted on 12/12/16 at 11:34 am to Hawkeye95
I didn't say I was against it. I said if you take these cronies at their word then I believe you're either stupid or can't get over the fact that he's president and are looking for anything to explain something you didn't and still don't understand
Posted on 12/12/16 at 11:37 am to Vacherie Saint
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At the end of the day, a private entity -the DNC- was hacked because they elected shite for cyber security. No different than any other company. Podesta was phished, and that happened because he is a moron.
Disagree entirely. If we temporarily accept that Russia was involved in hacking, it's certainly different than them hacking any other private entity. The election is over, and we're mostly Republicans talking to one another. We can acknowledge that Russia hacking a US political party is a newsworthy event and something that, if separated from the narratives it is being used to promote, should be a major topic of discussion.
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She lead in polls for months after the convention so the idea that she would have won if the DNC hacks hadn't happened is a fantasy cooked up by liberals who - and I can't believe I'm writing this - are currently cooking up schemes to try and overturn a free and fair American election.
Liberals want to scare the shite out of everyone with their talk of fascism and corporate oligarchs. Scaring minorities with lies about internment camps. These same liberals, as we speak, are hatching plans to steal the election from its rightful winner. This would be the purest act of treason our country has ever known.
There is probably a lot of valid stuff here it just has nothing to do with my position so I'm not going to chime in on it.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 11:37 am to DelU249
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I said if you take these cronies at their word then I believe you're either stupid or can't get over the fact that he's president and are looking for anything to explain something you didn't and still don't understand
well generally you should view everything with a touch of suspicion. And depending on the source, more than a touch.
But there are plenty of facts laying around, and you can piece together a somewhat well thought out position on the matter.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 11:38 am to Hawkeye95
Give me a fact that's just lying around...just one that doesn't require me to take someone's word blindly
Posted on 12/12/16 at 11:39 am to Pettifogger
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Sure it does. Say it matters less than the emails themselves, but Russia hacking an American political party (if this happened) to try and expose their actions absolutely "matters," doesn't it?
Does it matter? I say no. The fact that the DNC was into all types of frickery is the problem, not who exposed them.
The FBI, CIA and other intelligence gathering is often conducted through foriegn sources and I'm sure this wouldn't be the first time we learned of domestic bad actors through foriegn bad actors.
If a rat is ratted on by another rat it doesn't make the first rat not a rat.
Now, should we as a country protect ourselves from Russia and others perpetrating hack frickery with US entities, absolutely.
Remind me though, wasn't the Obama administration threatening and boasting about carrying out cyber attacks on foreign countries not too long ago???
This post was edited on 12/12/16 at 11:41 am
Posted on 12/12/16 at 11:41 am to DelU249
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Insulting voters at every turn this year and what did it get them?
For the slow witted on here - Trump.
Sticks and stones didn't break any bones but by damn, the words killed them at the polls.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 11:50 am to Pettifogger
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Disagree entirely. If we temporarily accept that Russia was involved in hacking, it's certainly different than them hacking any other private entity. The election is over, and we're mostly Republicans talking to one another. We can acknowledge that Russia hacking a US political party is a newsworthy event and something that, if separated from the narratives it is being used to promote, should be a major topic of discussion.
Why should we "temporarily accept" this Russia hysteria? Foreign powers will always have their preferred candidates. Many, as you recall, vocally opposed Trump. They will always want to hack government officials. I'm absolutely confident in saying that the US government is attempting to hack Russian servers as we speak. Obama, as you recall was caught tapping Merkels phone. Did Germany launch a massively awkward international query into this? This is exactly why HRCs bathtub server was such a big deal. The DNC needs to fix its cyber security measures and stop this from happening again.
What the left and the media is doing right now is creating a straw man and in the process, scaring the shite out of the American people. There is no more evidence that this was done by Russians than there is of some fat teenager in Kansas.
If Trump not accepting the results was "dangerous" and "destabilizing", then why is this behavior OK?
This post was edited on 12/12/16 at 12:11 pm
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