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re: Who else thinks there is no way China could successfully invade Taiwan?
Posted on 6/8/21 at 10:13 am to RiverCityTider
Posted on 6/8/21 at 10:13 am to RiverCityTider
I hope they do. Would be their mistake of the century.
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Posted on 6/8/21 at 10:24 am to scormi5
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You think Chinese meddling in the Pacific was bad now? Wait until they get Taiwan and have an unopposed “superhighway” through the Philippine Sea
This sounds an awful lot like something that happened circa January 1942.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 10:36 am to lsu777
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Let me ask you a very serious question. Do you feel strongly enough about this issue that you would be willing to let your kids die for it? Because if not, dont ask others to send their kids to die for a cause that you are not willing to sacrifice your kids for.
I don’t have kids, so I can’t answer that question honestly. I can say that I would sacrifice myself for this, no question. It’s a way more worthy sacrifice of my life than Iraq, the Gulf War, Vietnam, or Korea.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 10:39 am to TeLeFaWx
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If you don't think the CCP's long con on Hong Kong isn't going to be 100% successful, and that they can't attempt something similar on Taiwan, you're crazy. There are a billion main land Chinese, not just the powerful CCP elite, that think Taiwan is just the same as Tibet or Xianjang, and that their rightful place is underneath the Chinese thumb.
Yeah, here’s the difference with most the other Chinese issues, the Chinese people are actually on board with this. This is different.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 10:40 am to OMLandshark
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I don’t have kids, so I can’t answer that question honestly.
so dont ask others to do so
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I can say that I would sacrifice myself for this, no question.
did you serve? if not you are full of shite. not being mean, you just are.
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It’s a way more worthy sacrifice of my life than Iraq, the Gulf War, Vietnam, or Korea.
why? Korea and Vietnam were essentially the same thing, stopping the spread of the commies.
give me one way china invading taiwan affects the average american. tell me why its worth the sacrifice of our young adults.
now if you wanna talk about support Taiwan through the use of our navy and air force....we can discuss. But how many times do we have to get involved in conflicts that are none of our business and fail before people realize its not a winning policy?
Posted on 6/8/21 at 10:50 am to lsu777
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so dont ask others to do so
So a requirement to declare war is you have to have kids? Why?
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did you serve? if not you are full of shite. not being mean, you just are.
I have Taiwanese friends, I’m thinking and concerned for them, it’s a great country, and is a bastion of freedom. Taiwan is this century’s Poland. Sorry, not putting up with China invading Taiwan resulting in the deaths of millions of them.
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give me one way china invading taiwan affects the average american. tell me why its worth the sacrifice of our young adults.
OK, how did the Holocaust affect the average American in the late 30s-mid 40s? Make no mistake: millions of Taiwanese and Chinese people will die if China invades Taiwan. frick off on this line of reasoning.
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now if you wanna talk about support Taiwan through the use of our navy and air force....we can discuss. But how many times do we have to get involved in conflicts that are none of our business and fail before people realize its not a winning policy?
With this mentality Europe would be speaking German or Russian at this point and the Jewish population would be like a million people living in this country. frick off with this cowardice.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 10:53 am to RiverCityTider
China is the largest trading partner of Taiwan.
It is none of our business just as Hong Kong is none of our business.
We should be inviting Taiwanese companies to move to the US and welcome Taiwanese immigrants.
The communist will screw up Taiwan just like they did Hong Kong. We need to be sure we are in position to talk advantage of it. (Unfortunately most of the businesses and money leaving Hong Kong are going to places like Singapore. When the lease first expired a lot of the wealthy there that elected to leave went to Vancouver. We should examine why it is these people prefer Singapore and Canada to the US and see if it something we can fix.)
Good article just yesterday on the subject
"'Do We Need to Be in Hong Kong?' Global Companies Are Eying the Exits"--WSJ
It is none of our business just as Hong Kong is none of our business.
We should be inviting Taiwanese companies to move to the US and welcome Taiwanese immigrants.
The communist will screw up Taiwan just like they did Hong Kong. We need to be sure we are in position to talk advantage of it. (Unfortunately most of the businesses and money leaving Hong Kong are going to places like Singapore. When the lease first expired a lot of the wealthy there that elected to leave went to Vancouver. We should examine why it is these people prefer Singapore and Canada to the US and see if it something we can fix.)
Good article just yesterday on the subject
"'Do We Need to Be in Hong Kong?' Global Companies Are Eying the Exits"--WSJ
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Posted on 6/8/21 at 10:53 am to RiverCityTider
Militarily they have failed miserably in ocean trials of their navy vessels. But that isn't how China invades. They will take Taiwan the same way they are trying to take the US.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 12:04 pm to BlackAdam
How insane does one group of people have to be?
The troop assembly in China would be flagged due to satellite images of the gathering.
Taiwan is armed to offset a ocean or air invasion. They just accumulated another purchase of more rockets to take down a surface or air invasion. The sea would be awash with red from the thousands of Chinese casualties. Taiwan knows all they have to do is sink enough and down enough to push China back across the ocean.....China has no stealth technology and no chance of cloaking any invasion of Taiwan
If India joined ....China would face an attack from their south at the same time. China will not nuclear. India is armed, America armed with thousands more war heads than China is capable of entering into the fray ....
The troop assembly in China would be flagged due to satellite images of the gathering.
Taiwan is armed to offset a ocean or air invasion. They just accumulated another purchase of more rockets to take down a surface or air invasion. The sea would be awash with red from the thousands of Chinese casualties. Taiwan knows all they have to do is sink enough and down enough to push China back across the ocean.....China has no stealth technology and no chance of cloaking any invasion of Taiwan
If India joined ....China would face an attack from their south at the same time. China will not nuclear. India is armed, America armed with thousands more war heads than China is capable of entering into the fray ....
Posted on 6/8/21 at 12:05 pm to bluedragon
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China will not nuclear.
Ummm….what? That is exactly what they would do if India invaded Tibet.
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Posted on 6/8/21 at 12:10 pm to OMLandshark
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So a requirement to declare war is you have to have kids? Why?
no but i dont want some pussy who has never put his arse on the line, but has taiwanese friends, putting my kids and friends kids and my friends who are still in asses on the line.
You are a pussy who has no problem sending others to die, but has and never did put skin in the game.
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OK, how did the Holocaust affect the average American in the late 30s-mid 40s? Make no mistake: millions of Taiwanese and Chinese people will die if China invades Taiwan. frick off on this line of reasoning.
so europe falling to germany wouldnt affect the average american? are you dumb? do you know who our biggest trading partners where?
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With this mentality Europe would be speaking German or Russian at this point and the Jewish population would be like a million people living in this country. frick off with this cowardice.
yea im the coward...coming from someone that has never had to put their arse on the line. Typical and sounds like most politicians. Always happy to have others go off and die because we have to be brave. Funny the ones who claim that are never at the front of the line themselves and never want their kids to join.
oh and fricking Taiwan going back to china is not even close to the same as Centries old Independent European countries falling to germany.
and you bring up the holocaust, thats going on in china now. How come you havent joined to go help in the fight to stop it?
This post was edited on 6/8/21 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 6/8/21 at 12:13 pm to Indefatigable
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Ummm….what? That is exactly what they would do if India invaded Tibet.
no they wont.
and make no mistake about it, taiwan would inflict major major pain on China and would go nuclear themselves before giving up. It would be a huge embarasement to china.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 12:38 pm to lsu777
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so europe falling to germany wouldnt affect the average american? are you dumb? do you know who our biggest trading partners where?
Says the fricking moron. What happens if China takes Taiwan? What happens if they take over the South China Sea? What happens if they successfully complete the Belt and Road Initiative? What happens if they manage to take over the Suez Canal? What happens if half the countries on Earth become valise states to China?
Truthfully this isn’t really about Taiwan: it’s about stopping China from taking over the world. It’s no different from Poland in WWII. You’re either too stupid or ignorant to realize it. Thinking it through I probably would sacrifice my kid for that because I don’t want my children and my children’s children living in a world ruled by the CCP.
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and you bring up the holocaust, thats going on in china now. How come you havent joined to go help in the fight to stop it?
Have you read my posts? I’ve openly called for war with China or at least severe crippling sanctions against them dozens of times.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 12:50 pm to OMLandshark
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Says the fricking moron. What happens if China takes Taiwan? What happens if they take over the South China Sea? What happens if they successfully complete the Belt and Road Initiative? What happens if they manage to take over the Suez Canal? What happens if half the countries on Earth become valise states to China?
What do you think happens??
Posted on 6/8/21 at 12:56 pm to lsu777
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and make no mistake about it, taiwan would inflict major major pain on China and would go nuclear themselves before giving up. It would be a huge embarasement to china.
Taiwan would extract a pound of flesh, no doubt. But ultimately China won’t have to invade Taiwan. They’ll complete their infiltration and come to an agreement. Any military involvement will come with the full support of Taipei in quelling dissent after the fact.
Very similar to HK
Posted on 6/8/21 at 12:57 pm to OMLandshark
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Says the fricking moron. What happens if China takes Taiwan? What happens if they take over the South China Sea? What happens if they successfully complete the Belt and Road Initiative? What happens if they manage to take over the Suez Canal? What happens if half the countries on Earth become valise states to China?
Truthfully this isn’t really about Taiwan: it’s about stopping China from taking over the world. It’s no different from Poland in WWII. You’re either too stupid or ignorant to realize it. Thinking it through I probably would sacrifice my kid for that because I don’t want my children and my children’s children living in a world ruled by the CCP.
thats not what you made it about. You specifically mentioned Taiwan invasion.
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Have you read my posts? I’ve openly called for war with China or at least severe crippling sanctions against them dozens of times.
have you read mine? I have specifically called for crippling sanctions on china same as you.
My point was not that we might have to go to war with china, if we do, fine. My point was we dont have to or need to do it over Taiwan.
want to stop china, you arm up Japan.
as far as being a moron or too stupid/ignorant to realize what is happening.....far from it. I have been there and volunteered and it frickign sucks being used as a political pawn for some bullshite. And i will not change my stance that people who have no skin in the game shouldnt be calling for any sacrifice of american lifes.
You dont stop china with a war though, thats a no win situation. You do it through isolation and crippling sanctions and building up neighbors.
We cant be the worlds police and always sacrifice our young people and our money for others. Its a no win situation. Im fine with naval and air missions, but no boots on the ground.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 12:58 pm to jcaz
quote:You mean just like America.
Like they are doing right now.... it’s a soft invasion. Slowly buy influence and strong arm them into submission. Just like Hong Kong.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 12:59 pm to I B Freeman
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What do you think happens??
That they de facto rule the world, crush human rights worldwide, and will do ethnic genocide as a casual hobby at least until they release another virus that’s way more lethal than Covid or some lunatic gets his hands on the genome of a deadly virus, 3D prints it, infects himself, and knowingly spreads it as far as possible. I’m not too optimistic about this century.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 1:03 pm to OMLandshark
About the same distance from the US to Cuba - it wouldn't be a surgical strike and would no doubt ignite an outbreak of regional wars around the world, but it could be done - successfully? who know what would be left to claim for the winner
Posted on 6/8/21 at 1:07 pm to lsu777
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thats not what you made it about. You specifically mentioned Taiwan invasion.
Yes, because that’s the line where we HAVE to declare war on them. Taiwan is Poland. WWII wasn’t all about Poland even if they got the most fricked of any country in that war. My point was pretty clear.
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have you read mine? I have specifically called for crippling sanctions on china same as you.
My point was not that we might have to go to war with china, if we do, fine. My point was we dont have to or need to do it over Taiwan.
What’s the line to declare war on them then? Personally I think stopping domestic flights in their country at the start of Covid but allowing international flights was an act of war. Taiwan sure as shite is a very hard line for me.
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as far as being a moron or too stupid/ignorant to realize what is happening.....far from it. I have been there and volunteered and it frickign sucks being used as a political pawn for some bullshite. And i will not change my stance that people who have no skin in the game shouldnt be calling for any sacrifice of american lifes.
You have major skin in the game whether you know it or not.
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We cant be the worlds police and always sacrifice our young people and our money for others. Its a no win situation. Im fine with naval and air missions, but no boots on the ground.
The only war worth declaring since WWII in my mind was the War in Afghanistan. If I call for war I look at them as a catastrophic worldwide threat that has the power to enslave or destroy humanity. That is what we’re up against when it comes to China. They are a much stronger country than the Soviet Union ever was. They are the 21st Century’s Nazi Germany.
This post was edited on 6/8/21 at 1:11 pm
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