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re: Who do you think has a better shot at winning? Trump of Desantis?
Posted on 7/12/21 at 10:04 am to 93and99
Posted on 7/12/21 at 10:04 am to 93and99
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No they won't, Trump has about 35 million hardcore supporters who will stay home if the candidate isn't at the least a lot like Trump.
Someone gets it
Confused as to why do many of you believe DeSantis would automatically win over the working class blue collar voter who voted for Obama and generally votes Democrat at the local level, or doesn't vote at all in presidential elections. How do you know they would turn out? It was these exact types of voters who loved Trump and turned out but refuse to turn out in the Georgia runoffs
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Posted on 7/12/21 at 10:04 am to mouton
Desantis has a better shot, but I also think running against Trump in the primary would damn near be political suicide with how Desantis would get trashed in terms of what Trump would say about him.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 10:05 am to Bunk Moreland
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the irrational suburban woman TDS is a real thing. I think Ron Ron has a better chance to win that group.
While at the same time unable to turn out the working class blue collar worker who hates Republicans at the national level but liked Trumps message
Posted on 7/12/21 at 10:06 am to goldennugget
Well, you make a good point there. Trump was smart enough to throw a bone to the working class union guy. If Ron is perceived as a chamber of commerce stooge, I don't know that he can carry those guys.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 10:07 am to mouton
Desantis by a mile. Trump has too much baggage after the Capitol bullshite. I think its unwarranted baggage, but the idea is to appeal to moderates and Trump isn't the guy to do that.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 10:07 am to Bunk Moreland
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You and SDV are consistent on this. I understand your position, especially if the election was rigged and Trump did indeed win in a landslide. But, I will say, the irrational suburban woman TDS is a real thing. I think Ron Ron has a better chance to win that group.
I think Desantis over Trump for two reasons
- The one you allude to, electability and perhaps the ability to govern without unforced errors. But ultimately I look at any candidate as merely buying time right now.
-However, to the extent either are going to advance the real fight, the anti-leftist fight that will be needed to either achieve self-governance for states/regions that want it or to persuade enough of the electorate to join our side, I think Desantis is likely the better revolutionary/counterrevolutionary candidate too. Trump played his role in that already, IMO.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 10:09 am to Bunk Moreland
The Obama-Trump voter is a very real demographic and they will go back to voting democrat or not voting at all quicker than you think. These people hate traditional Republicans.
I don't hate DeSantis but there is no guarantee he will turn out the Obama-Trump or low propensity voter.
It doesn't matter though because Trump is running and DeSantis isn't. And if Trumo truly did win in 2020 then he will win in 2024 given the shenanigans are fixed. If not then the democrat candidate will win no matter what so the arguing is pointless
I don't hate DeSantis but there is no guarantee he will turn out the Obama-Trump or low propensity voter.
It doesn't matter though because Trump is running and DeSantis isn't. And if Trumo truly did win in 2020 then he will win in 2024 given the shenanigans are fixed. If not then the democrat candidate will win no matter what so the arguing is pointless
Posted on 7/12/21 at 10:09 am to goldennugget
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While at the same time unable to turn out the working class blue collar worker who hates Republicans at the national level but liked Trumps message
They're not static, and neither is the Republic Party, arguably. I guarantee they've taken note of how Desantis has waged war on covid overreach, which is something that has directly impacted pretty much all segments of America and a lot of areas (Michigan, etc.) that contain a lot of the voters you're talking about.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 10:10 am to Triple Bogey
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but the idea is to appeal to moderates and Trump isn't the guy to do that.
What the frick are you talking about? Trump won more crossover votes than any other Republican ever has.
It's crazy how cucked so many of you are when it comes to swallowing fake media narratives.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 10:10 am to Pettifogger
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Whatever we do - not this
Gov of FL is more meaningful than VP
There is no reason to tie Desantis to Trump's brand
Agree. VP is a do nothing job and we need strong individual states more than someone manning a chair.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 10:12 am to Pettifogger
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- The one you allude to, electability and perhaps the ability to govern without unforced errors. But ultimately I look at any candidate as merely buying time right now.
Anyone who uses the electability argument and takes it seriously is the political version of a cuckold, full stop. It's a tool used by the establishment wing of both parties to prevent candidates that operate outside of their DC apparatus from winning. Remember how Kasich was the most electable? How did that work out?
Posted on 7/12/21 at 10:13 am to mouton
Both have an equal shot.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 10:15 am to Pettifogger
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I guarantee they've taken note of how Desantis has waged war on covid overreach
In Florida, maybe. But this demographic doesn't really pay much attention to politics. I don't think these voters who exist in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, etc. really know or care who the governor of Florida is. This demographic does not really pay close attention to politics.
Does no one here watch Rich Baris's Inside the Numbers show? He literally goes over all of this 3 times a week. He is a professional pollster who works with political data. He emphasizes this every show. No Republican yet outside of Trump has proven that they can appeal to the disenfranchised working class, ancestral democrat voter who hates Republicans at the national level.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 10:16 am to Pettifogger
If DeSantis is the POTUS nominee the big tent R's giving him money and their political machine will pick his VP.
Would people accept DeSantis Nikki Haley 2024?
Trump as the nominee still may have his VP chosen.
I am waiting for DeSantis to lead in the Governor's association-- calling out Biden on the fed overreach of spying on political opponents and using Jan 6th as a crutch to continue...
Would people accept DeSantis Nikki Haley 2024?
Trump as the nominee still may have his VP chosen.
I am waiting for DeSantis to lead in the Governor's association-- calling out Biden on the fed overreach of spying on political opponents and using Jan 6th as a crutch to continue...
Posted on 7/12/21 at 10:16 am to goldennugget
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Anyone who uses the electability argument and takes it seriously is the political version of a cuckold, full stop. It's a tool used by the establishment wing of both parties to prevent candidates that operate outside of their DC apparatus from winning. Remember how Kasich was the most electable? How did that work out?
Electability is a real thing regardless of how it is wielded as a tool. The Trump/Desantis electability debate in here is legit. It's not a guarantee, and it has to encompass he realities about inevitable attacks and inevitable flaws that will come out about a candidate.
In theory, you can have an electability debate among two out-of-mainstream candidates that will be demonized by their establishment parties. That may be the case with Trump-Desantis.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 10:18 am to cajunangelle
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Would people accept DeSantis Nikki Haley 2024?
The country would
This board and the Trump loyalists wouldn't
Although if Trump picked her they'd vote for him all the same.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 10:20 am to mouton
Easily Desantis.
Trump running again will be a complete shite show.
Trump running again will be a complete shite show.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 10:21 am to Pettifogger
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In theory, you can have an electability debate among two out-of-mainstream candidates that will be demonized by their establishment parties. That may be the case with Trump-Desantis.
Winning the presidency is all about building coalitions.
Rich Baris has said repeatedly that as of right now, the professional class is gone. These are the upper middle class/upper class suburbanites who voted for John McCain or Mitt Romney but then voted Hillary and Biden. They are now dyed in the wool democrats. So any attempt to win them back is futile. There is no guarantee DeSantis would win back any of them, especially if the media paints DeSantis as Trump 2.0. Many are operating on the assumption that this group is Republican but just hated Trump that much and will go back to voting Republican - wrong.
The way forward is conservative populism that says to hell with winning over the professional class suburbanite and instead tries to forge a coalition of working class voters of all races.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 10:24 am to mouton
Trump has already done it once. And we will eventually find out he has done it twice. And now everyone has a bitter taste from Biden, so Trump will win easily again
Posted on 7/12/21 at 10:24 am to goldennugget
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goldennugget
First off, stop. Your fanatical Trump love is polluting the thread. No one is saying Trump isn't the preferred guy, we are talking about who can win.
1) The nominee will be either Trump or Desantis. If Trump runs, i don't see Desantis running. If Trump doesn't run, he will give his full support to DeSantis.
2) Given the above if DeSantis has the full support, he will gain a large portion of that 35 million someone talked about earlier. Not all will come over, but a large portion.
3) Literally anyone but a RINO stooge can beat these 2, in a legitimate election.
4) I would LOVE for Trump to run and win. A big reason is for retribution against the political class. But in terms of who i would rather be POTUS, i prefer Desantis.
5) It is possible to want Trump, but also prefer what DeSantis brings to the board (or doesn't bring to the board.)
6) As others stated, it is fact that there is unwarranted baggage that Trump brings. As much as i love Trump telling Rosie O'Donnell she sucks, in the end, he doesn't need to do shite like that. FWIW, i thought what he said was accurate and hilarious.
7) Trump does bring name recognition though. And DeSantis won't be successful without Trump's blessing. Trump is a kingmaker right now. Either he anoints himself again, or he establishes another.
8) The cheating from the left will be amplified compared to 2020 (if that is even possible). However, it will be particularly more up front, if Trump is the guy. That doesn't mean he shouldn't win, just stating reality. They will stop at literally nothing to prevent Trump from winning. DeSantis, likely, won't get as big of a war against him.
9) In reality, whether it be Trump or Desantis, the real election is the American people vs. the political class. Whoever wins the nomination, MUST fire EVERYONE as soon as they assume command. The only people left in DC should be the hourly workers. Fire the entirety of the FBI, CIA, DOJ, State Department, IRS, Homeland Security, and the military. Whoever wins, needs a list of trusted people to be inserted in those positions.
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