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re: White House preparing for major narrative shift: sudden deaths = Long COVID, not the vaxx.

Posted on 1/12/23 at 10:35 pm to
Posted by loogaroo
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Posted on 1/12/23 at 10:35 pm to
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In a similar way to how you can get injuries in MVA’s even though seat belts work.


Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
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Posted on 1/12/23 at 10:37 pm to
If this is Vaccine related injury, incidence of these events will be worse in vaccinated populations, right?

Is that what the data shows?

Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 1/12/23 at 10:42 pm to
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Is that what the data shows?


In the link I provide Ed Dowd said the data shows “significantly” higher sudden death rates among employed people versus unemployed. The implication is that most employed people were mandated to get the vaccine.
Posted by CubsFanBudMan
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 1/12/23 at 10:43 pm to
Remember when they said the vaccine would cure long COVID, and the best way to prevent long COVID was to get vaccinated? People who couldn't smell or taste for months all of a sudden could after taking the jab. Guess the science changed on that one.
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 1/12/23 at 10:44 pm to
I saw an article today on LONG COVID. It is the new thing.

I would like to see studies on long covid w/ and w/o the vax. I have seen long covid the initial symptoms were chest pressure upper res.

Then recovery with antibiotics cocktail injections. But it took months before physical activity could be done w/o getting breathless.

I think the article today said long covid can last for months.
Posted by BuzzSaw 12
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Posted on 1/12/23 at 10:45 pm to
Posted by GeauxZone90
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 1/12/23 at 10:47 pm to
People get long covid without the vax. Don’t know if it is higher amongst vaccinated
Posted by Adam Banks
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Posted on 1/12/23 at 10:54 pm to
Who is Ed dowd? And why would a guy on gettr who I’ve never heard of be reliable to have source inside the Biden administration and how would he be the only one to let out that this admin is going to announce something that the medical community isn’t saying and would take a massive level of epidemiological research.


Seems like once again getting Lucy footballed here
This post was edited on 1/12/23 at 10:56 pm
Posted by GeauxZone90
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Posted on 1/12/23 at 10:56 pm to
Ed dowd is a former hedge fund guy I believe. Dude lives on a remote island
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 1/12/23 at 10:58 pm to
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Who is Ed dowd?



LINK
This post was edited on 1/12/23 at 10:59 pm
Posted by shoelessjoe
Member since Jul 2006
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Posted on 1/12/23 at 11:00 pm to
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Is that another point for the conspiracy theorists

The real conspiracy theorists are the ones that thought the vaccine was safe and worked.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 1/12/23 at 11:02 pm to
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And why would a guy on gettr who I’ve never heard of be reliable to have source inside the Biden administration and how would he be the only one to let out that this admin is going to announce something that the medical community isn’t saying and would take a massive level of epidemiological research.


Driving a political narrative doesn’t take a massive amount of epidemiological research. Politicians react to polling and public perception.
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
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Posted on 1/12/23 at 11:02 pm to
Just curious - if multiple large studies show worse health outcomes in unvaccinated people than vaccinated, would you consider it rational for people to choose to be vaccinated if they are trying to promote their own health (set aside group identity values for a moment)?
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 1/12/23 at 11:06 pm to
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Seems like once again getting Lucy footballed here


This would imply that he or me posting this are trying to get people’s hopes up and hold someone accountable only to be let down. That’s not the case here at all. This is just heads up. Something to look for.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 1/12/23 at 11:08 pm to
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Just curious - if multiple large studies show worse health outcomes in unvaccinated people than vaccinated, would you consider it rational for people to choose to be vaccinated if they are trying to promote their own health (set aside group identity values for a moment)?


Sure. But this is getting way off the topic of this thread.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
55921 posts
Posted on 1/12/23 at 11:09 pm to
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So if the initial trials with wild-type COVID had shown similar efficacy to vs. later strains, you’d be less skeptical of long COVID complications?


The initial stage 3 trial results presented by Pfizer said that the vaccine was 95% effective in preventing Covid. Was that accurate?
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
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Posted on 1/12/23 at 11:12 pm to
Yes. What argument do public health experts use to continue to recommend the vaccine despite more transmissible strains with more immune-escape?
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
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Posted on 1/12/23 at 11:13 pm to
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Lincoln Financial has to fund raise due to excessive life insurance payments last year, burial services up 30%, etc.

How has this been disclosed?
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 1/12/23 at 11:13 pm to
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long covid


I still don’t know what this means. As mentioned in the OP, what is the clinical definition of long covid? Right now it seems like a very soft, plastic and ambiguous term to fit almost anything like general malaise.
Posted by AmishSamurai
Member since Feb 2020
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Posted on 1/12/23 at 11:16 pm to
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I still don’t know what this means


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