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re: Which Republican Congressmen won their seat promising voters MOAR continuing resolutions?
Posted on 10/4/23 at 9:29 am to Taxing Authority
Posted on 10/4/23 at 9:29 am to Taxing Authority
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f the wanted to win... why not start there?
The problem is they're not as popular or large as they envision.
Yesterday SHOULD be the perfect example of this, but it's chest-beating time for muh fight
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Posted on 10/4/23 at 9:34 am to SlowFlowPro
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As a person who wants to stop giving DEMS power, I give a shite.
What power was given?
Posted on 10/4/23 at 9:35 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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What power was given?
We'll see if the new SOH can get the DEMs to agree to use a budget, first.
Once that doesn't happen, we will move onto the next policy fail.
Posted on 10/4/23 at 9:38 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:The second bill was always going to pass. This is what Republicans do. They "stop" the initial bill. Then they pass the second bill.
You think the DEMs (and their coordinated media and other institutions) are scared of the narrative that the Republicans killed Christmas?
Why?
So then they can go on the campaign trail and say "I voted against funding Ukraine!". Which is true, they did, before they voted for it.
Posted on 10/4/23 at 9:39 am to SlowFlowPro
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We'll see if the new SOH can get the DEMs to agree to use a budget, first.
Once that doesn't happen, we will move onto the next policy fail.
But how is that any different than the previous state with McCarthy?
Posted on 10/4/23 at 9:40 am to Bjorn Cyborg
quote:Do you think EVERY democrat in the House voted for this... because it helps MAGA republicans?
I disagree, but even if true, who gives a shite?
Posted on 10/4/23 at 9:41 am to Taxing Authority
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Do you think EVERY democrat in the House voted for this... because it helps MAGA republicans?
They would have voted for the ouster of ANY republican speaker. It's not that deep, or strategic.
Posted on 10/4/23 at 9:41 am to Taxing Authority
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I've never called for that. Only the swampiest of republicans are (John Cornyn, for example).
Oh, I know. I just don’t see where the path was to anything else, absent something bold. I don’t know that this is the answer either, but anything even just nudging us off the same ole path, at this point, is preferable to me.
Posted on 10/4/23 at 9:42 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:I suspect securing election is popular enough to get enough support to get something done at the state and local levels.
The problem is they're not as popular or large as they envision.
But whining about it, is not. The constant crying about it seems to be quite unpopular.
It's not unlike whining about SEC officiating. Is is biased? Of course. Should we just forfeit all our games with Alabama? Hell no. The lesson is, work to improve officiating, and don't leave it close at the end of the game.
This post was edited on 10/4/23 at 9:43 am
Posted on 10/4/23 at 9:44 am to Bjorn Cyborg
quote:It's not. And that's the point. Gaetz did huge damage to the MAGA brand... for no benefit.
But how is that any different than the previous state with McCarthy?
Posted on 10/4/23 at 9:47 am to Bjorn Cyborg
quote:Well, Kevin McCarthy seemed to believe he'd have enough democrats to keep his seat. So there's that. I started a thread yesterday noting that this is a great example of why you should never negotiate with Democrats.
They would have voted for the ouster of ANY republican speaker. It's not that deep, or strategic.
If you don't see the significance of Democrats ousting a republican SOH... I don't know how to help you.
Posted on 10/4/23 at 9:48 am to Taxing Authority
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It's not. And that's the point. Gaetz did huge damage to the MAGA brand... for no benefit.
I get that Gaetz and his crew are MAGA, and it's being sold as a MAGA strategy. But I reject the entire premise that being anti-CR, anti-Omnibus spending bills, etc., is a MAGA policy position.
These are fights that have been going on long before Trump was on the scene and will be going on long after he is gone.
Posted on 10/4/23 at 9:50 am to Y.A. Tittle
quote:Ultimately, our government is working as designed. Until voters change how they vote... there's no reason to think they aren't happy with how thing are going.
Oh, I know. I just don’t see where the path was to anything else, absent something bold.
This kind of move by Gaetz is putting the effect before the cause.
Some seem to believe this is a victory for AF/MAGA. But it's not. Even the AF caucus split on this. There is no AF/MAGA power grabbed here. This was a Democrat flex. They literally got part of the AF/MAGA to align with them. It is (should be) embarrassing.
Posted on 10/4/23 at 9:52 am to Bjorn Cyborg
quote:Clearly. Even the freedom caucus split on this. So... it's even smaller than MAGA.
But I reject the entire premise that being anti-CR, anti-Omnibus spending bills, etc., is a MAGA policy position.
quote:Yep. Voters keep voting the same folks in. The only conclusion that can be inferred is that they love CRs.
These are fights that have been going on long before Trump was on the scene and will be going on long after he is gone.
Posted on 10/4/23 at 9:53 am to Taxing Authority
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Well, Kevin McCarthy seemed to believe he'd have enough democrats to keep his seat.
He said at his press conference yesterday, that Pelosi told him she had his back.
Which is a fricking psycho thing for him to believe, trust or solicit.
Posted on 10/4/23 at 12:09 pm to SlowFlowPro
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What can they actually do, in reality? Then spell out how to get the Democrat Senate and Presidency to go along with this plan.
---They could subpoena Hunter Biden, for one. In all of these investigations into the Bidens and of all the people who have testified before Congress about it, none of them has been a Biden. Hunter is the primary driver for a lot of the influence peddling, extortion and bribery that seems to have surrounded Joe, so not having him testify seems to be so massive as to be impossible to classify as an "oversight".
Being the minority, the Dems would have no power in this and look incredibly foolish in their attempts to provide cover for Hunter and Joe.
---They could NOT suspend the fricking debt ceiling.
---They could NOT agree to spending that equates to one of the highest deficit spending years on record (at least thus far).
The Dems and Biden would then be the ones threatening a government shutdown. The natural counter attempt to the Dems would be "you're wanting to create more debt, THE US IS frickING BROKE, STOP TRYING TO MAKE US EVEN MORE BROKE!" If voters buy the fear of Mad Max world the Dems would be selling over spending being cut, so be it. At least the legitimate attempt to try was there instead of only making half-assed gestures towards attempts then calling it a day to go bang some interns.
Posted on 10/4/23 at 7:34 pm to SlowFlowPro
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No he waited to file until he had the support.
You literally just said “I think this is exactly it.” in response to:
Gaetz filed this motion with no intention to vote in favor of it
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It's just that the DEMs led the charge, not his own party.
Gaetz said Monday night after filing he didn’t think it was going to pass this time and would file again if needed. He said in the chamber yesterday this vote was a departure from the norm where the outcome is a foregone conclusion.
Multiple democrats said after the vote yesterday they didn’t decide how to vote until that morning.
Next you’re going to say politicians lie, leaving:
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He agreed to do their bidding to get the short-term W.
1. You still can’t explain what bidding someone as politically limited, according to you, as gaetz can offer to secure 200+ votes.
2. You’ve been bleeding all over this board for the last day about how the democrats are going to use this situation to make republicans look bad and gain more strength.
Gaetz spent an hour in the chamber yesterday reiterating how this is all because McCarthy didn’t do what he said he would do, worked with democrats behind republicans’ back, isn’t trustworthy, etc.
If gaetz worked with the democrats to orchestrate this as you suggest, that would mean he also did all of those things.
Gaetz is the current hero of a significant movement within the Republican Party, even more so than trump. If gaetz did what you suggest then why haven’t the democrats come out shouting from the rooftops about exactly that? It would be a deathblow to the movement, their current hero actively working with the people they despise.
You are positively certain that’s what the democrats are going to do here. What are they waiting for?
Then again, you were also positively certain gaetz wouldn’t file.
And after he filed, you were positively certain he wouldn’t get the votes needed to support his motion.
Your track record on this entire situation is an abject failure, just like everything else you post.
Posted on 10/4/23 at 7:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
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quote:. If this shite is REALLY what the voters want, then there should be nothing for the wailers and teeth gnashers to much worry about.
There is always another level to the conspiracy you can create.
I have no idea what this means or is referencing, btw.
Conspiracy? Huh?
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