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re: Which Republican Congressmen won their seat promising voters MOAR continuing resolutions?

Posted on 10/4/23 at 8:34 am to
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
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Posted on 10/4/23 at 8:34 am to
It’s such an inane self-fulfilling merry go round of logic.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 10/4/23 at 8:37 am to
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Cut the spending.

Secure the border.

You know where.

The question is how you get the DEMs to go along with this via budget.
Posted by Padme
Member since Dec 2020
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Posted on 10/4/23 at 8:37 am to
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No one can do that. They can just point to your post where you said that Mccarthy had 95% of his caucus and at least that of the caucuses constituents. The conclusion logically follows from that statement. Don't blame others for your lack of precision.


Funny innit? He wants the board posters to let him in on the house plan twenty moves down the line, yet when they put one and one together and deduce a simple implication, he denies he ever mean that. The synapses aren’t all connected.
Posted by therick711
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Posted on 10/4/23 at 8:39 am to
His point also is that because it would be hard to fight for their priorities, Kevin Mccarthy was justified in laying down.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 10/4/23 at 8:39 am to
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Maybe not in that extremely specific verbiage, but you and I had the following exchange:

Constituents want moderates and stability.

The DEMs would gladly pass a budget that the GOP would never accept.

So the choice, for now, is CRs or shut down. The population supports CRs over shut downs, if that's what you're asking.

I'm sure they'd support a budget, too, but none of us posting on here want the DEMs to pass their budget.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 10/4/23 at 8:40 am to
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Not trying is a losing proposition

Wrong.

The DEMs aren't trying and won yesterday.

Doing nothing is a good strategy when your enemy is imploding.
Posted by therick711
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Posted on 10/4/23 at 8:40 am to
Tldr version of this. Republicans can't win so they have to lose without a fight. No one should believe any part of that logical chain. It's foolishness.
This post was edited on 10/4/23 at 8:41 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
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Posted on 10/4/23 at 8:41 am to
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His point also is that because it would be hard to fight for their priorities

The DEMs own the process.

The inherent flaw in this talking point is the assumption that the GOP can do these things, currently. Note: they cannot.

Again, the DEMs control the Senate and Presidency. How do you get this legislation passed?
Posted by Open Your Eyes
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 10/4/23 at 8:42 am to
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I never thought Gaetz would sell out to the DEMs

So now your argument has to be either Gaetz filed this motion with no intention to vote in favor of it and only changed his mind once he saw how the other side was voting, or he gave something so substantial to the other side it secured their entire voting block.

Which is it?

If it’s the first, then you’re even more stupid than we all already know you are.

If it’s the second, please name what this substantial thing someone as politically limited, according to you, can promise to secure 200+ votes.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
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Posted on 10/4/23 at 8:42 am to
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Republicans can't win so they have to lose without a fight.

Republicans can win, eventually, if they learn how to fight with a good strategy.

Not this chest-beating emotional stuff from yesterday. Hence muh fight.

Republicans today have to make up for the strategy failures of the past, namely investing in the wrong institutions (like churches and suburbs).
Posted by therick711
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Posted on 10/4/23 at 8:43 am to
Negotiate and block deliver, sure they own that process. That was not always the process. If you cared about trying to accomplish something, that's not the process you use. You're jumping into the problem at the brink as did Mccarthy. He had 9 months to take another path, but those cocktail parties were too much to pass up.
Posted by Padme
Member since Dec 2020
9744 posts
Posted on 10/4/23 at 8:43 am to
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The population supports CRs over shut downs, if that's what you're asking.



You don’t know that. And the OP’s point was that every single republican campaigns on changing Washington. Yet one of two words in CR stands for continuous
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 10/4/23 at 8:43 am to
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I'm asking for the MAGA strategy.


Pass a functional budget and let the Dems shut down the government.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
110929 posts
Posted on 10/4/23 at 8:44 am to
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You're jumping into the problem at the brink as did Mccarthy. He had 9 months to take another path, but those cocktail parties were too much to pass up.


Posted by therick711
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Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 10/4/23 at 8:44 am to
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Not this chest-beating emotional stuff from yesterday. Hence muh fight.


Back to the "emotional" trope you love. Yet, just yesterday when I said Mccarthy should have carefully weighed poking his adversary in the eye, there you were with your suggestion that Mccarthy make him "nut up or shut up". You don't have a single leg to stand on with your internet bullshite.
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
24273 posts
Posted on 10/4/23 at 8:44 am to
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Not this chest-beating emotional stuff from yesterday. Hence muh fight.


You think because you throw "emotional" at every argument you can't rebuke is effective? (It isn't)
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 10/4/23 at 8:45 am to
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Gaetz filed this motion with no intention to vote in favor of it and only changed his mind once he saw how the other side was voting,

I think this is exactly it. He thought the DEMs would offer concessions to KM but when they signaled they wouldn't, he filed.

On the flip side, everyone thought KM would work a deal out with the DEMs, but they pulled that rug (I guess the last CR was enough for them. Smart, b/c the next shutdown threatens the holiday season so they will have all the leverage).

He clearly didn't have GOP support (he lost most of his support from January) and was never filing if he'd lose.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 10/4/23 at 8:46 am to
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Negotiate

that's called "selling out to the Democrats" on here

quote:

He had 9 months to take another path,

I'm asking for alternative examples.

Have been for about an hour. No serious alternative options have been presented, I don't believe (in 3 different threads)
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476619 posts
Posted on 10/4/23 at 8:47 am to
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Yet, just yesterday when I said Mccarthy should have carefully weighed poking his adversary in the eye, there you were with your suggestion that Mccarthy make him "nut up or shut up".

KM thought he had DEM support.

He was wrong. Gaetz pushed through the DEMs wishes.

I didn't think Gaetz would sell out to the DEMs, and I was wrong. I have admitted that many times.
Posted by therick711
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Posted on 10/4/23 at 8:47 am to
I reject playing your game. I don't answer questions with premises that are fundamentally flawed. I instead focus on demonstrating that your line of thinking is flawed at every level of analysis.
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