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re: Which Republican Congressmen won their seat promising voters MOAR continuing resolutions?
Posted on 10/4/23 at 9:04 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 10/4/23 at 9:04 am to SlowFlowPro
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Again, how do you get the Democratic Senate and President to agree to your terms?
I can't formulate a winning move so a clearly losing move is OK. That's the type of logic that killed Mccarthy.
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Posted on 10/4/23 at 9:04 am to SlowFlowPro
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I think this is exactly it.
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He clearly didn't have GOP support (he lost most of his support from January) and was never filing if he'd lose.
So he filed with no intention to vote in favor of it, but was never going to file if he didn’t think it would win?
Tell us more, you paramount of rational, intelligent thought.
This post was edited on 10/4/23 at 9:08 am
Posted on 10/4/23 at 9:06 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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It's disingenuous to be the supposed party of small government, while being afraid to shut down the operations of the government to achieve your goals.
Not if the reason is fear of giving more power to the party who will expand government, further.
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The Republicans have to relay that they are willing to shut down if they don't get what they want.
they're almost assuredly going to have to, and the DEMs are waiting. Again, the DEMs almost never lose these shutdown battles. They end up more popular with more national support and the opposite is true for the GOP.
THAT is the fear.
Assume that happens (for like hte 6th straight time), how is THAT a victory for the GOP/smaller government?
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This fight happens every year, and it's always blamed on the Republicans. It's bullshite.
For the very reasons I am arguing.
The GOP engages in shite strategies and is shocked when they continue to lose.
This post was edited on 10/4/23 at 9:07 am
Posted on 10/4/23 at 9:08 am to SlowFlowPro
Again, the argument of I'm not good at chess so I better lay my king down. That's why Mccarthy is a pile of ashes. You actually make the argument pretty well.
Posted on 10/4/23 at 9:08 am to Y.A. Tittle
quote:There IS a HUGE disconnect between what voters (claim to) want, and how they vote.
Which Republican Congressmen won their seat promising voters MOAR continuing resolutions? There’s the issue here. Seems a simple one to resolve, no?
CRs aren't new.
Related question... how many incumbent Congressmen got challenged in a primary for voting for CRs? The answer is zero.
Everyone wants a superhero to "fix" Congress. But virtually no one wants to vote toward that goal.
Posted on 10/4/23 at 9:09 am to therick711
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I can't formulate a winning move so a clearly losing move is OK.
Losing less now to win more later is +EV.
You can literally go back to the Art of War for this stuff.
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win
If your enemy is secure at all points, be prepared for him. If he is in superior strength, evade him.
To win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill.”
The DEMs are currently stronger. The problem is you refuse to admit that and understand how to work against a superior foe.
Posted on 10/4/23 at 9:10 am to Open Your Eyes
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So he filed with no intention to vote in favor of it, but was never going to file if he didn’t think it would win?
No he waited to file until he had the support.
It's just that the DEMs led the charge, not his own party. He agreed to do their bidding to get the short-term W.
Posted on 10/4/23 at 9:11 am to therick711
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Again, the argument of I'm not good at chess so I better lay my king down.
You shouldn't be $10000/game until you're better at chess, is the analogy.
Bet small when you suck and are weak and bet big when you're in an advantageous position.
Posted on 10/4/23 at 9:11 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:The GOP doesn't have a strategy, except to capitulate. The America-first/MAGA crowd actually wants to win... but they do not understand incrementalism. They want some superhero to come along and deliver it all in one shot. Which isn't how our system works (thankfully).
The GOP engages in shite strategies and is shocked when they continue to lose.
They essentially want to win the game by throwing hail marys on 1st, 2nd, 3rd, AND 4th down.
This post was edited on 10/4/23 at 9:13 am
Posted on 10/4/23 at 9:13 am to Taxing Authority
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but they do not understand incrementalism
Hence muh fight and their shite strategy.
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They want some superhero to come along and deliver it all in one shot. Which isn't how our system works
Well that is the point of populism
I think the more complete analysis is explaining how they deal with losing, though, compared to how they envision winning.
Posted on 10/4/23 at 9:14 am to Taxing Authority
I think there’s probably something to what you’re saying.
I also think there’s something to actually pushing the issue (or at least trying to push it in a different direction) and seeing how the chips fall, politically and otherwise. If this shite is REALLY what the voters want, then there should be nothing for the wailers and teeth gnashers to much worry about.
Same ole, same ole just seems like the worst laziest approach at this point, to me at least.
I also think there’s something to actually pushing the issue (or at least trying to push it in a different direction) and seeing how the chips fall, politically and otherwise. If this shite is REALLY what the voters want, then there should be nothing for the wailers and teeth gnashers to much worry about.
Same ole, same ole just seems like the worst laziest approach at this point, to me at least.
Posted on 10/4/23 at 9:16 am to Y.A. Tittle
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. If this shite is REALLY what the voters want, then there should be nothing for the wailers and teeth gnashers to much worry about.
There is always another level to the conspiracy you can create.
As i said about MAGA above:
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I think the more complete analysis is explaining how they deal with losing, though, compared to how they envision winning.
Posted on 10/4/23 at 9:18 am to SlowFlowPro
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Not if the reason is fear of giving more power to the party who will expand government, further.
That's an opinion. The GOP always comes out of these fights looking weak, because they cave at the last minute and don't accomplish anything. They don't know what the repercussions would be if they held fast and won - because they never do.
The government workers, government dependents, etc., are mostly democrats anyway. IMO, the democrats have more to lose. Call their bluff and threaten to shut it down. I don't believe it would even come to that, and if it did it would be short lived.
This post was edited on 10/4/23 at 9:21 am
Posted on 10/4/23 at 9:21 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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They don't know what the repercussions would be if the held fast and won - because they never do.
there have been plenty of shutdowns over spending and the GOP loses pretty much all of them.
They do hold fast, and often lose, b/c they rely on shite short-term strategy and then demand purity at random points.
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Call their bluff and threaten to shut it down. I don't believe it would even come to that, and if it did it would be short lived.
The appropriation runs through November, right?
You think the DEMs (and their coordinated media and other institutions) are scared of the narrative that the Republicans killed Christmas?
Posted on 10/4/23 at 9:22 am to SlowFlowPro
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The appropriation runs through November, right?
And why does it run through November, rather than going on right now?
Kevin fricking McCarthy
Posted on 10/4/23 at 9:24 am to Y.A. Tittle
quote:I've never called for that. Only the swampiest of republicans are (John Cornyn, for example).
Same ole, same ole just seems like the worst laziest approach at this point, to me at least.
You have to think in terms of calculated risks. Gaetz affirmed every bullshite stereotype the Democrats have painted of "extreme MAGA Repbulicans"... for very little upside.
Posted on 10/4/23 at 9:25 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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And why does it run through November, rather than going on right now?
Kevin fricking McCarthy
Gaetz played into the DEM's hands perfectly yesterday
Posted on 10/4/23 at 9:27 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Agreed. Having a built in excuse is not a good strategy. That's why I'm so frustrated that for the last 2-1/2 years Trump and the AF/MAGAs did NOTHING to secure elections other than b*tch about it.
I think the more complete analysis is explaining how they deal with losing, though, compared to how they envision winning
If the wanted to win... why not start there?
Posted on 10/4/23 at 9:27 am to SlowFlowPro
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Gaetz played into the DEM's hands perfectly yesterday
I disagree, but even if true, who gives a shite?
If the person in charge is a lying POS, he needs to be gone regardless. A new speaker will be in place in a week. Even if he's no better, there was no harm done.
These people aren't accomplishing anything. It's a fricking joke.
Posted on 10/4/23 at 9:29 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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but even if true, who gives a shite?
As a person who wants to stop giving DEMS power, I give a shite.
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