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re: Where are these vanilla isis kids getting radicalized? Many have conservative parents
Posted on 5/31/20 at 1:39 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Posted on 5/31/20 at 1:39 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Lots of reasons. Ennui, a lack of sense of community, the way we design cities, parents who are either too hands-off or hands-on, no purpose, disillusionment, anger, etc. These aren't all that different from reasons why British young Muslims joined terrorist groups. My view is that the radicalization pattern for recruits for both the left and the right is going to be remarkably similar to the radicalization pattern for other examples of extremism, from the IRA to ISIS. The goals of the end-organizations are going to be very different, but the recruitment method, and the recruit's state of mind are very similar.
I do have theories as to why people feel this way, and some of it comes back to urban planning. I'm still in the middle of that research, but using architecture (and how we envision space more broadly) to promote a sense of belonging isn't all that controversial. It was implicit in urban planning for much of history, but Internationalism and the development of things like the car and air conditioning lead to significant revolutions in the way we conceive space.
I do have theories as to why people feel this way, and some of it comes back to urban planning. I'm still in the middle of that research, but using architecture (and how we envision space more broadly) to promote a sense of belonging isn't all that controversial. It was implicit in urban planning for much of history, but Internationalism and the development of things like the car and air conditioning lead to significant revolutions in the way we conceive space.
Posted on 5/31/20 at 1:44 pm to TigerCruise
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They grew up in well off families surrounded by other white people and feel like capitalism is evil because their Dad was never home.
They feel guilty because their parents worked hard and gave them things other people didn't have.
Now they've grown up and want to burn it all down because they've never worked hard for anything in their lives.
This except with the addition that they feel capitalism is evil because Dad was never home but at the same time grew up accustomed to a standard of life only afforded by that.
So now they have a mentality of “prioritizing quality of life over work success” while at the same time expecting to afford everything their parents did. They choose to go into an Art History major because “its not about the destination, its about the journey”. Yet get upset when they cant afford a 3 bedroom loft in Tribeca because their boomer dad owned a home at 21 working for Ford.
I’m a millennial and I see this in my peers all the time. Yeah we got dealt a bit of a shite hand with the economy. However they pass up entry level jobs because its not “their path” and they want to live in the hip area of the metro city when they could live in the suburbs much cheaper. They then further resent their parents because “their values (ie capitalism hard work loyalty to a company etc) were wrong but had a better life!!1!11!! It’s not FAIR!!! If only they’d retire I’d have my VP position working telecommuniting from home that Ive been holding out for!”
Basically a want their cake and eat it too syndrome.
Posted on 5/31/20 at 1:47 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
College professors and Facebook/twitter
Posted on 5/31/20 at 1:47 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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but you should at least instill values that deter public destruction and violation of property rights.
Maybe they taught them the value of human life instead.
Posted on 5/31/20 at 2:18 pm to the808bass
quote:it’s not about the rioting or looting, it’s about the reasons they’re doing it
Rioting and looting isn’t inclusive or open-minded. It’s pathetic and small.
Posted on 5/31/20 at 2:19 pm to crazy4lsu
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I'm still in the middle of that research, but using architecture (and how we envision space more broadly) to promote a sense of belonging isn't all that controversial
I read a really interesting take the other day on the way in which brutalist and postmodernist architecture is ideologically motivated. Essentially it serves to deny beauty to man and literally brutalizes the soul which serves the goal of international communism. Architecture used to turn cities into art and brought mans soul closer to god while also inspiring pride in ones nation
This post was edited on 5/31/20 at 6:01 pm
Posted on 5/31/20 at 2:48 pm to Caplewood
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I read a really interesting take the other day on the way in which brutalist and postmodernist architecture is ideologically motivated. Essentially it serves to deny beauty to men and literally brutalizes the soul of man. Architecture used to turn cities into art and brought mans soul closer to god while also inspiring pride in ones nation
I’ve read a lot about this (so sorry about the length of the reply), and this seems to be a popular take within certain circles, especially in the work of Sir Roger Scruton, who has some lovely writings on architecture. But what it misses is the context surrounding these movements, which like so much, has its origins in the fin de siecle period. Concurrently, you saw the breakdown of traditional forms in multiple disciplines, across Europe, moving from the belief that a new world was possible in the “Modernist” school, where nature was in part guided by man, to a view, especially after the wars, that was at the behest of ambiguity, complication, and uncertainty.
But these architects often saw their projects as part of larger potential projects, many of which were designed but never built. Thus you have patchwork attempts that feel out of place with regard to the surroundings, when the actual plan accounted for the eventual criticism. That funding for large projects eventually dried up, which gave way to the bland, repeatable architecture that defines much of America. But the intent to recreate the space was there, in the same way classical or neoclassical architects wanted to recreate space. For example, Louis Kahn’s plans for Philadelphia would have made it a singular city of artwork, as his goal was to make an organic city which balanced car traffic with foot traffic.
I think generally critics give brutalism and internationalism too much credit, as even classical architects working in the era would have run into the same funding problems. The brutalists wanted to expose quality made materials so that people could appreciate the invisible functions of modernity. And what they produced had clear influence from neoclassical movements, like Nordic classicism, which heavily influenced how modernism was approached in those countries.
The blame, for me, relies less on the architects, and more on the unwillingness to redo whole city blocks, many of which in American were destroyed during urban renewal, or were redone in a mishmash of styles anyway. The worst culprit has to be the McMansion, which is the culmination with the obsession of reproducibility over quality.
Posted on 5/31/20 at 9:22 pm to crazy4lsu
This is 40 years of Marxist and socialist in the public school systems..... period.
Posted on 6/2/20 at 11:55 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Posted on 6/2/20 at 11:58 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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How did a decent chunk reagan/dole/bush voters raise their kids to be like this?
you've never heard of kids rebelling against their parents ideals?
Posted on 6/2/20 at 11:59 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Mandatory Thomas Sowell reading would cure it.
Posted on 6/2/20 at 12:00 pm to LSUconvert
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Maybe they taught them the value of human life instead.
Looters and rioters are not human. They're wild animals and should be treated as such.
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