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re: When Will Republicans Realize That Idenity Polictics Is Real?
Posted on 11/9/17 at 10:08 am to OMLandshark
Posted on 11/9/17 at 10:08 am to OMLandshark
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And we need to call them out on this. I don't think too many Asians in this country identify with identity politics and very quickly assimilate to the culture.
East Asians are not the problem. Though it should not be out of bounds to debate the number of East Asian immigrants we want to take in.
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Because he wants ramp up Identity Politics from our side (ie become the Alt-Right).
That’s the only reason Trump won, though the identity he overtly promoted was simply American identity. The Alt Right pushes it toward ethnic identity.
Establishment GOP-ism is dead already, like it or not.
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Please tell me one other logical endgame that Identity Politics can serve if it is continuously escalated
Well the entire history of the world is a history of identity politics. Mostly it doesn’t end in the gas chamber.
What does full-on identity politics mean for the US? I don’t know. Balkanization, probably.
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If no one is going to put their foot down and say "frick Identity Politics, and if you partake in them you are the actual racist, bigot, sexist etc because I only want to take you on as an individual"
It’s impossible.
If you disagree, then which societies do you believe come closest to the ideal?
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Posted on 11/9/17 at 10:11 am to OMLandshark
There's a fricking genocide going on right now. Within the span of a century, whites will have gone from 90% of the population to a minority. Your solution,apparently, is to call everyone a racist scumbag for expressing concern over this fact.
Posted on 11/9/17 at 10:15 am to uway
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That’s the only reason Trump won, though the identity he overtly promoted was simply American identity. The Alt Right pushes it toward ethnic identity.
I think it was more in response to Obama and Hillary's globalist stances and the fact that they didn't believe in American Exceptionalism. From them they looked at a large portion of the American people as being a bunch of deplorables, and the populace sensed it. Trump on the other hand did believe in American Exceptionalism and he exploited that to fantastic effect.
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Well the entire history of the world is a history of identity politics. Mostly it doesn’t end in the gas chamber.
Just you know war and massacres.
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It’s impossible.
If you disagree, then which societies do you believe come closest to the ideal?
Well, America. We're the melting pot. We need to double down on this rhetoric that we are a melting pot, not a fruit salad where you argue about which fruit you like best and then toss the ones you don't like out. Double down on the melting pot rhetoric. That is how you overcome this.
Posted on 11/9/17 at 10:24 am to AlterDWI
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Within the span of a century, whites will have gone from 90% of the population to a minority. Your solution,apparently, is to call everyone a racist scumbag for expressing concern over this fact.
Whites weren't a united front until after Kennedy was elected. It was a big fricking deal that he was an Irish Catholic running at the time. Now no one gives a shite about that. If I were to ask someone from 1917 about an Irish Catholic winning the Presidency, they would be appalled. People were xenophobic as shite towards Italians, Irish, and Germans for many years. Isn't it better that we don't give a shite about that anymore?
So long as they believe in the Principles of our Founding Fathers and Western Principles, I don't give a shite about the color of their skin or what is between their legs. Freedom of Speech: Non-negotiable. Separation of Church and State: Non-negotiable. Equality for everyone: Non-negotable. Lack of Tyranny on the minority or majority: Non-negotiable. If you believe in these things, then we should be able to move forward as a country like we have done in the past without Identity Politics having any bearing on our lives. If you don't, then we have an issue and you need to be called out on it.
Posted on 11/9/17 at 10:27 am to OMLandshark
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American Exeptionalism
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We're a melting pot.
You're like a caricature of Boomer cuckservatism using these valueless empty platitudes. I couldn't be more thrilled that Conservatism,Inc. is finally dead & I can spit on its grave.
This post was edited on 11/9/17 at 10:28 am
Posted on 11/9/17 at 10:30 am to AlterDWI
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You're like a caricature of Boomer cuckservatism
There we are with the cuck. It automatically makes me subtract 20 IQ points from anyone I talk to. No different than SJWs calling someone a racist for saying something they didn't like.
Posted on 11/9/17 at 10:32 am to OMLandshark
Posted on 11/9/17 at 10:41 am to Jump High
They just used identity politics to win an election. I think they get it baw.
Posted on 11/9/17 at 10:47 am to OMLandshark
Have you noticed that PoC don't give a damn about your non-negotiable values?
How's freedom of speech going in China or Burma?
Tell me about separation of church & state in the ME & North Africa.
How bout that equality in Haiti or Rwanda?
I'm amazed how people can be so hopelessly unaware, they honestly think that you can import millions of people from these same countries & not end up with the same shitty societies they came from.
How's freedom of speech going in China or Burma?
Tell me about separation of church & state in the ME & North Africa.
How bout that equality in Haiti or Rwanda?
I'm amazed how people can be so hopelessly unaware, they honestly think that you can import millions of people from these same countries & not end up with the same shitty societies they came from.
This post was edited on 11/9/17 at 10:50 am
Posted on 11/9/17 at 10:50 am to OMLandshark
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So long as they believe in the Principles of our Founding Fathers and Western Principles, I don't give a shite about the color of their skin or what is between their legs.
I agree with you 100%. But the problem is most minorities in this country don't.
Posted on 11/9/17 at 10:51 am to Jump High
Democratic Party will continue to move to the left.
Republicans will move to the left. Moderates and many independents will identify with the Republican Party because the democrats will move to far left. Social and fiscally conservatives will be left in the minority and searching for a party.
This is a fault in your idenity politics theory that the Democrats will takeover politics. While the republicans will move to the left it will still be a 2 party system.
Republicans will move to the left. Moderates and many independents will identify with the Republican Party because the democrats will move to far left. Social and fiscally conservatives will be left in the minority and searching for a party.
This is a fault in your idenity politics theory that the Democrats will takeover politics. While the republicans will move to the left it will still be a 2 party system.
This post was edited on 11/9/17 at 10:52 am
Posted on 11/9/17 at 10:56 am to AlterDWI
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Have you noticed that PoC don't give a damn about your non-negotiable values?
Had to look up PoC since I'm not in Alt-Right circles. And I'd argue that Hispanics actually largely do care about those values.
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How's freedom of speech going in China?
I think it will largely be a free country within 30 years. Once the Little Emperors take charge, I think that's whats going to happen. They greatly crave it.
Also are you implying that the Chinese don't integrate well in the US? I'd put them in the Top Tier of integrating in American culture. Seriously how many second generation Chinese people act Chinese at all?
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Tell me about separation of church & state in the ME & North Africa.
It's awful and people who believe in this shouldn't be allowed in the country.
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How bout that equality in Haiti or Rwanda?
Am I advocating we increase immigration from Haiti or Rwanda?
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I'm amazed how people can be so hopelessly unaware, they honestly think that you can import millions of people from these same countries & not end up with the same shitty societies they came from.
I'm not for diversity Visas or anything like that. If a person based on individual merit can add to our society fiscally speaking and agree with American values, then let them in. I'm not for letting the refugees with a 2nd grade education in our country. Make something of yourself before we let you into the greatest country the world has ever known.
Posted on 11/9/17 at 10:58 am to Jump High
This post was edited on 11/9/17 at 11:10 am
Posted on 11/9/17 at 10:58 am to MizzouBS
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Social and fiscally conservatives will be left in the minority and searching for a party.
This is a fault in your idenity politics theory that the Democrats will takeover politics. While the republicans will move to the left it will still be a 2 party system.
So... nothing will change from the past 50+ years?
Posted on 11/9/17 at 11:01 am to uway
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East Asians are not the problem. Though it should not be out of bounds to debate the number of East Asian immigrants we want to take in.
They are already part of Identity Politics, at least in areas where there are sufficient numbers.
Asian Americans furious at proposal allowing California colleges to choose students by race | South China Morning Post
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Been reading this thread. One quibble I find with it, is people don't seem to be addressing the fact that the different Identity Groups that are probably going to exist have different interests - and indeed don't like each other much.
Personally I don't think the Republican Party is any too stable. But it is a rock compared to a Democratic Party with some very dichotomous elements in it.
Strictly as an observer, I think Asians will be the focal point of a major shift in American politics. How that interacts with the Republican Party, or rather the Trump version of the Party is hard to tell.
But good luck keeping Blacks happy in an Asian or even Hispanic led Democratic Party. Not going to happen.
And for what it's worth, Obama was the first black president. And probably will be the last. Unless we still have Presidents in a century or so.
Things don't always turn out the way you imagine. But I would not care to be black in an America totally broken down on the grounds of Identity Politics (by which we mean race of course).
A lot can be done to curtail, even reverse immigration. But I don't think Trump can put Humpty Dumpty back together. Whatever happens we will have a sizeible Chinese presence on the West Coast particularly, Hispanics on the West Coast and Southwest, and Blacks, primarily on the South and pockets in the Midwest and Northeast.
On the bright side, McConnell/Graham/Ryan Republicans are going to have a pretty hard time finding districts tailor made for them outside a few ritzy areas spread here and there.
Posted on 11/9/17 at 11:03 am to Jump High
This post was edited on 11/9/17 at 11:10 am
Posted on 11/9/17 at 11:04 am to OMLandshark
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Well, America. We're the melting pot
We integrated Europeans into a European society almost completely comprised of Europeans. Blacks were a subculture, but it took force to integrate them, and it obviously didn’t work.
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Double down on the melting pot rhetoric. That is how you overcome this
I’m sorry, this seems entirely unserious.
I bought into it too before I had kids. But your solutions all but guarantee a bleak future for white Americans (and white people across the world), and I’m not going to be a part of that if I can help it.
Posted on 11/9/17 at 11:07 am to Centinel
quote:What are you basing this on exactly?
But the problem is most minorities in this country don't.
Posted on 11/9/17 at 11:11 am to Jump High
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It turned Blue solely because of non-white immigration.
It turned blue because of government expansion. More Government employees (ie dimocratix) taking up residence in Virginia.
Posted on 11/9/17 at 11:13 am to Jump High
Of course identity politics is real. It's the main platform that Progs run on.
The problem with it is it's an emotional sham. It has no basis on logic or rationality, and relies solely on strawman name-calling.
It works because people are idiots.
The right indeed does play identity politics, but not nearly on the level of the left.
The problem arises when it becomes necessary to run on identity politics, which is what you're advocating. It means we throw all logic about policy out the window and focus on creating boogeymen.
We're almost there and it's scary. It SHOULD be resisted, but it will be the extinction of all rationality in politics (if there was any to begin with).
The problem with it is it's an emotional sham. It has no basis on logic or rationality, and relies solely on strawman name-calling.
It works because people are idiots.
The right indeed does play identity politics, but not nearly on the level of the left.
The problem arises when it becomes necessary to run on identity politics, which is what you're advocating. It means we throw all logic about policy out the window and focus on creating boogeymen.
We're almost there and it's scary. It SHOULD be resisted, but it will be the extinction of all rationality in politics (if there was any to begin with).
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