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re: When did SJW culture start?

Posted on 10/7/19 at 6:53 pm to
Posted by Dale51
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Posted on 10/7/19 at 6:53 pm to
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Way back


Womens suffrage should have been stopped way back then.
Don't they suffer enough??
Posted by Jimbeaux
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 10/7/19 at 6:53 pm to
The devil has been with us since the garden, and although he takes various forms, he can be known by his use of deception and half-truth.

The 19th century saw the advent of communism as a response to the abuse of the working class. The partial truth was that the system was tilted towards property owners and unfairly disadvantaged the working class, especially in the European class system. The lies that were peddled is that only the removal of individual freedom and private ownership could solve the problem.

The neo-marxists embraced the notion of any means necessary, and peddled the lie that there is no objective truth (post-modernism). They manipulated the well intentioned to bring about a power base that believed in such things equality of outcome (equity). They denied the truth (lied) that there is no way to establish equity across all groups (utopian thinking).

They began covert and overt infiltration of institutions, playing on the average person’s belief in goodness and objective truth. They forced people to question first principles, which they had not needed to defend for a long time. These first principles had become unquestioned truisms, hard won over millennia of discussions, conflicts, and wars, but then were easily forgotten. Things considered “self-evident”.

Then the language was assaulted and manipulated to subtlety change attitudes. We went from honoring excellence to recognizing effort. From teaching independence and self-reliance to protecting the weak. From helping our fellow men to changing systems of oppression, as if we had the knowledge and the ability to make such changes (without causing greater harm).

I remember hearing the term social justice for the first time in the context of my Catholic religion. We were told that charity and being charitable (personal responsibilities) wasn’t enough. We needed to change to world so that Injustice could be eliminated. We never questioned whether such a thing was really possible on a large scale.

Ending slavery and racial discrimination was an example of such oppression, and all people of good will were certainly in favor of stopping those practices. But what about ending war? That’s a little more complicated. Everything after that became exponentially more complicated.

I saw bumper stickers in the late 1980’s that said “if you want Peace, work for Justice”. That sounded like a fine slogan, as long as you didn’t examine it too closely. What justice? Where? What do you mean there will be no peace without justice? If “they” won’t give us the justice we think we deserve, we won’t give them peace?

Then in the 1990’s I grappled with a new Jesuit theology called Liberation Theology. Was God endorsing the idea of social and economic revolution? Were poor people “good” by definition and rich people “bad”, no matter their personal crimes or actions? That didn’t match my observations. What role did Saul Alinsky have in formulating this theology?

This post was edited on 10/7/19 at 7:27 pm
Posted by LosLobos111
Austere
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Posted on 10/7/19 at 6:59 pm to
things weren't nearly this bad 10 years ago but the embers started not long after.

I think things started to get bad as twitter(and sites like tumbler which was a huge breeding ground) became more and more mainstream.

Things came to a head with trayvon and then BLM not long after which was during Obamas second term. We have gone completely off the rails since.
Posted by Eli Goldfinger
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Posted on 10/7/19 at 7:14 pm to
This post was edited on 10/8/19 at 6:38 am
Posted by Nguyener
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Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 10/7/19 at 7:16 pm to
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They forced people to question first principles, which they had not needed to defend for a long time. These first principles had become unquestioned truisms, hard won over millennia of discussions, conflicts, and wars, but then were easily forgotten. Things considered “self-evident”.

Then the language was assaulted and manipulated to subtlety change attitudes. We went from honoring excellence to recognizing effort. From teaching independence and self-reliance to protecting the weak. From helping our fellow men to changing systems of oppression, as if we had the knowledge and the ability to make such changes (without causing greater harm).



That's a phenomenal two paragraphs right there.

A few of the posters around here really should get together and start a podcast about the modern society and how we got here drawing daily show inspiration from the board and culminating in writing a column. We have a great collection of thinkers and intellegent philosophers. It'd be great to get together and be published
This post was edited on 10/7/19 at 7:19 pm
Posted by ATCTx
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 10/7/19 at 7:37 pm to
The wacko lefty SJW stuff was laughed at up until the 90s. The Democrat Party just ignored them generally when they said crazy crap.

The media started going nuts when Gingrich and the republicans took over congress for the first time in 50 or so years. It became all out war. Then the 2000 election made it worse.

Still, even up til Obama took office, democrats didn't favor gay marriage, care about "T"s, or immigrants. Things changed then, and now that the 91% leftist media is at war with centrist-right, anything goes. Trump made them deranged to the point where they don't ignore crazy crap. They, at worst, tolerate it and are afraid or unwilling to critique it.

It was inevitable, even though they have done their best to protect their own, to see some of them (Franken, Matt Lauer, Weinstein, etc) get caught up in the atmosphere they helped birth and raise.

There is so much resentment, hate, victimhood, etc. on the left. Many rich/famous/pols/"commentators" people inject race or whatever into EVERYTHING that happens (police, trials, hirings, etc) that more and more have become numb to it. Until the majority of people who just want to live and let live feel safe calling BS without fear of being labeled an "ist" it won't get any better.
This post was edited on 10/7/19 at 7:42 pm
Posted by yatesdog38
in your head rent free
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 10/7/19 at 7:40 pm to
I'm flipping between Anderson Cooper and Tucker right now and clearly it began way before 1990. Anderson Cooper is proof.
Posted by zatetic
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 10/7/19 at 7:43 pm to
Most of todays tom foolery extends out of the frankfurt school
Posted by 3nOut
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 10/7/19 at 7:47 pm to
The Babylon Bee podcast had the professors that wrote the ridiculous papers to peer review publications on last week.

They address the start of social justice and where it began, along with the explicit directive that SJ had predetermined outcomes, not justice. A lot of it came from Frankfurt school and Marxism. Whole goal of it is to divide the haves and havenots, mobilize the havenots into guilting the haves into giving up their wealth.

I’ll see if I can find it.
This post was edited on 10/7/19 at 9:30 pm
Posted by SCwTiger
armpit of 'merica
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 10/7/19 at 7:51 pm to
In the 60s around Vietnam. People realized they could throw a fit without much recourse. Before that, people had respect for values and others.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 10/7/19 at 7:51 pm to
Howard Cosell on MNF with the "monkey run" comment in 1983. That is my first memory of SJW blowback going full bore. MNF was huge then (even moreso than now imho) and he was under seige. Obviously this was pre-social media.
Posted by Picayuner
Member since Dec 2016
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Posted on 10/7/19 at 7:55 pm to
Josef Stalin
Posted by 3nOut
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Jan 2013
31765 posts
Posted on 10/7/19 at 7:59 pm to
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Howard Cosell on MNF with the "monkey run" comment in 1983. That is my first memory of SJW blowback going full bore. MNF was huge then (even moreso than now imho) and he was under seige. Obviously this was pre-social media


Alvin Garrett, who that comment was made about went to my Alma mater, Angelo State. Interestingly, he took no offense to the comment and said Cosell had been nothing but good to the black athlete community.
Posted by geaux88
Northshore, LA
Member since Oct 2003
16355 posts
Posted on 10/7/19 at 7:59 pm to
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It actually started in the early 90's.


THIS!!! When REAL Americans looked the other way and said NOTHING when some PISSANT LOSER voiced its “opinion” about being offended by the term, “Merry Christmas,” and we actually let that pathetic LOSER get away with it.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 10/7/19 at 8:12 pm to
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When did SJW culture start?
Serious question: was there anytime in American history where you think "social justice warriors" were a necessity?
Posted by JackieTreehorn
Member since Sep 2013
34880 posts
Posted on 10/7/19 at 8:25 pm to
Been around for a while but they were given legitimacy starting in January 2009.
Posted by RolltidePA
North Carolina
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 10/7/19 at 8:43 pm to
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PCU was so ahead of its time.


I can’t believe how prophetic that movie was.

Also; you can tell it’s age by how bald Jeremy Piven was in it.
Posted by RTM4
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Member since Apr 2018
2282 posts
Posted on 10/7/19 at 8:44 pm to
Late seventies, early eighties but we thought it was a joke back then.

Feminists screaming about manhole covers, fire"man", police"man".

My favorite was a janitor being some type of garbage engineer or some type of nonsense.

We just laughed.... well not laughing any longer.
Posted by Ragnar Danneskjold
North of you
Member since Dec 2015
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Posted on 10/7/19 at 9:14 pm to
[quote]SHE'S NOT INTERESTED IN YOUR PENIS![/quote]

Fixed

Posted by LSUconvert
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Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 10/7/19 at 9:19 pm to
With the greatest generation.
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