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re: When did being rich become a bad thing?
Posted on 4/10/19 at 3:13 pm to bmy
Posted on 4/10/19 at 3:13 pm to bmy
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Probably when people realized the great recession eniched them while the rest of us were suffering
I think this is a little extreme, but there were tons of rich people who made very bad bets during that period in history and got saved by our generous government.
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Posted on 4/10/19 at 3:13 pm to uway
quote:Can you give me a names list? Doesn't have to be all inclusive
My employer is very wealthy. He is not part of the elite that is running this country by proxy.
quote:No. It's simply a recognition of the reality that you are eating because of SOMEONE ELSE. I mean, you don't have to grovel about it, but your job didn't fall out of the sky and it isn't REQUIRED to exist.
But why do these conversations always go there? I’ve used that same argument you’re using, but think about it. It makes it sound like we are lucky that our betters are allowing us to survive
quote:Well, if you could do it in a way that left you better off than you are now, you'd be doing it.
That we poor non-elites wouldn’t figure out a way to survive without multi-billionaires around to profit off of our labor?
quote:ALL people are doing this. Including you.
I’m not anti-capitalism at all. But if a small group of people are scheming capitalism for their own enrichment
Posted on 4/10/19 at 3:18 pm to ShortyRob
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No more than it being completely rational to distrust other groups because they're more likely to steal from you or kill you.
They're still just individuals.
Like with most groups in America, the vast majority of rich people are perfectly decent people. They are no more likely to be bad people than anyone in my neighborhood. Probably less.
That’s questionable, at best, but even assuming that, the key difference is that unlike the people in your neighborhood who are powerless outside of violent acts, they have the power to affect your life for the worse.
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You can think of times where the more powerful people in a human society didn't get away with things. Name one.
Romanovs, the House of Bourbon, the Shah
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OF COURSE I should defend THEM. They're fellow Americans just like you.
That doesn’t make sense if the conflict is intra-national.
I’m not trying to take away their rights or anything, which is the only context in which I could see your “defending them because they are Americans” comment making sense.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 3:26 pm to ShortyRob
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Can you give me a names list? Doesn't have to be all inclusive
You don’t need to give me a list and we only know what we are allowed to know.
Use common sense.
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No. It's simply a recognition of the reality that you are eating because of SOMEONE ELSE. I mean, you don't have to grovel about it, but your job didn't fall out of the sky and it isn't REQUIRED to exist
I’m not eating because of my particular employer. I’m feeding my family because I have chosen to exchange my labor and talent for money and my employer accepted the offer.
If my job didn’t exist, I would do something else, or I would starve, as any man worth a shite should.
quote:You’re begging the question and contradicting yourself. You’re acting as if it’s a settled fact that what the elites do to enrich themselves can be assumed to benefit everyone else too, despite earlier in the thread admitting that money and connections amounts to a “get out of jail free” card.
Well, if you could do it in a way that left you better off than you are now, you'd be doing it.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 3:28 pm to cahoots
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I think this is a little extreme, but there were tons of rich people who made very bad bets during that period in history and got saved by our generous government.
yep. it's really just a human nature thing.. the elite have never been held to the same standard as you or i. corporate criminals steal hundreds of thousands of dollars and go to jail for 18 months. 24 year old black guy steals a few hundred dollars worth of merchandise from a store and gets 3 years.
This post was edited on 4/10/19 at 3:28 pm
Posted on 4/10/19 at 3:30 pm to vistajay
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It's cyclical, and happens when a privileged few become so wealthy that everyone else notices, it seems unattainable, and everyone is enviable. See the robber barons of the late 19th to early 20th century or the French aristocrats of the late 18th century.
Surely you're not comparing the current era (going back to Reagan, if you will) with those times?
If anything, we have a democratization of wealth. America is home to almost 16 million millionaires. 90% or so in the $1 to $5 million range.
That's 1 in 20 folks. Sure, we have the super rich (who have always been with us) and they're highly visible (ditto). The class warfare to demonize those folks has never paused since the Communist Manifesto took root with the radicals and political left in the mid 19th Century.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 4:02 pm to Ebbandflow
Yes it’s very to hard to understand. Get out there and earn it! Nothing is stopping any able bodied person from becoming wealthy in the USA. I’m far far from wealthy but I’m not filled with envy and jealousy over people that have obtained wealth either. Get off your arse and become wealthy if that’s what you want.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 5:22 pm to HoopyD
Wealth is not the problem. It's when you use that wealth to rig the economy and political system to benefit yourself is when it becomes a problem.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 5:27 pm to cahoots
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Have you not been paying attention lately? Having lots of money and connections basically functions as a get out of jail free card more often than it should.
That goes for both individuals and large companies. It's like you can be either too rich to fail or too big to fail in America.
I'm going to use some examples this board has used. To complete the circle of irony.
Hilary Clinton is rich and has committed political crimes against the US. Not mentioning the possible murders of those who have tried to investigate her.
Yet she walks free. Primarily due to the political and wealth advantages she has. It isnt the wealth ITSELF that is the problem. It is the societal conditions that come from that wealth. Immunities to being arrested, Immunities from any repercussions that would legally be followed if it was anybody else (even those of you defending them).
This post was edited on 4/10/19 at 5:32 pm
Posted on 4/10/19 at 5:35 pm to HoopyD
When 0.01 percent of the population control over 80% of the re4sources of a nation, they become kings, they can buy politicians, they can crush potential competition, they are able to decide the destiny of millions of people without oversight. They can rule everything from the background.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 5:50 pm to cr32pll29
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When 0.01 percent of the population control over 80% of the re4sources of a nation, they become kings, they can buy politicians, they can crush potential competition, they are able to decide the destiny of millions of people without oversight. They can rule everything from the background.
This is what the real problem is. Most of the ""conservatives"" on here don't see. We see this happening today.
You know the real reason the ACA isnt repealed despite the support and the GOP holding a mandate, its because of insurance companies and big pharma buying off our politicians.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 5:55 pm to HoopyD
Ever since someone didn't have as much.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 6:00 pm to Ebbandflow
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the disparity becomes too much
Sad. Why do you care about how much wealth other people have? Pathetic you want to take wealth from others in order to enrich yourself and your friends without having to work for it yourself. I'd be ashamed if I was such a pathetic and envious person.
This post was edited on 4/10/19 at 6:01 pm
Posted on 4/10/19 at 6:04 pm to volod
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This is what the real problem is. Most of the ""conservatives"" on here don't see
They have a glaring blindside, they are too enamored of their myths, free markets, free trade will solve everything magically.
I don't believe in pure socialism, just like I don't believe in pure capitalism, I believe in a third position that takes what works out of both and frame that into a society rule by natural law.
There has been only one society in recent memory that tried that, and they were incredibly succesful until a jealous world colluded to destroy them.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 6:07 pm to HoopyD
When you have a psych ops on the general population, so you can push Socialism, you need to sew some class warfare.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 6:14 pm to CamdenTiger
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When you have a psych ops on the general population, so you can push Socialism, you need to sew some class warfare.
So you think that if 0.01 percent of the population control over 80% of the wealth of a nation the other 99.99% of the people should just take it? should that 99.99% just understand that they are inferior and submit? what is the answer to such situation?
I mean it seriously as a don't have a surefire answer.
This post was edited on 4/10/19 at 6:17 pm
Posted on 4/10/19 at 6:22 pm to cr32pll29
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I believe in a third position that takes what works out of both and frame that into a society rule by natural law.
You must be young. I'm 67 and for all those years your oil and water option has never mixed and more importantly never will. Pick a side that best suits you and go with it.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 6:30 pm to HoopyD
When the mentally ill left started screaming louder and determined it was a winning argument to their low life voting core.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 6:38 pm to Homesick Tiger
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Nov. 2008
Yep - Right around the same time that Joe Biden stated that paying more in taxes is the patriotic thing to do for wealthier Americans. Somebody needs to remind Joe that the real American patriots that fought and died for independence and against taxation without representation might not of been of the same opinion.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 6:49 pm to HoopyD
Bernie and Pocahontas believe in redistributing wealth, but just not their own. How many illegal aliens are they personally supporting? Not a dang single one. 
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