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re: When did being rich become a bad thing?
Posted on 4/10/19 at 2:34 pm to uway
Posted on 4/10/19 at 2:34 pm to uway
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Why go to bat for the ultra wealthy like this? They aren’t your friends.
But they are our employers. You got any friends willing to pay you what you make just so you can be their friend?
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Posted on 4/10/19 at 2:34 pm to Ebbandflow
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There's nothing wrong with being wealthy overall but when it gets a little ridiculous and the disparity becomes too much across-the-board, people start getting a little Restless. Is it really that hard to understand?
If that disparity is created by creating a product that people are willing to buy, why is that "a little ridiculous"?
This post was edited on 4/10/19 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 4/10/19 at 2:34 pm to HoopyD
Jesus beat up bankers/rich people - BamaAtl
Posted on 4/10/19 at 2:38 pm to HoopyD
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Wealth used to be a measure of success; something to aspire to. Now it's portrayed as evil and out of touch.
Liberals see wealth as a finite resource, this means that in order for you to be wealthy then you must therefore be keeping someone else from being wealthy.
It's a bit odd to try to understand but it's easier if you think of wealth as a pie chart. So if someone's slice gets bigger, it can do so only because someone else's slice has gotten smaller.
This, of course, completely ignores that wealth can be created (thus any pie would have to have a large share that is actually infinite and marked as "unrealized wealth") which is why it's a fallacy.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 2:40 pm to Bard
Even more than a finite resource, they see it as a wedge.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 2:43 pm to HoopyD
When people starting complaining the media is fake and search engines are biased when really the ones in charge have a better business model.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 2:44 pm to HoopyD
It's all a show!!
Millionaires telling poor people that millionaires are bad
Millionaires telling poor people that millionaires are bad
Posted on 4/10/19 at 2:47 pm to HoopyD
We can twist this all we want, but as long as progfilth control the media; White, conservative people that have money are hitler.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 2:48 pm to Ebbandflow
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start getting a little Restless. Is it really that hard to understand?
I'm not restless, let's call it what it is, envy, that people have more money than I.
Let's pose this question - would we be better off if all the rich people moved out of the country and took their assets with them? This country would sink faster than a one-egg pudding. We can't cherry pick which wealthy people we would like to keep so it's all or nothing.
Myself, I know for damn sure I'm a lot better off because of the wealthy folks of this country. So is every swinging dick, sorry ladies you too, on this board.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 2:50 pm to Homesick Tiger
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But they are our employers
Exactly! My wife and I do well, not wealthy, but we own a 3 year old business that employs 7 people and is growing, have a full time housekeeper, and are about to start a second business that will create more jobs. All of our employees are W2 and get benefits.
When people make money, they create opportunities for others.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 2:50 pm to HoopyD
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Bernie Sanders is now taking fire because he may be a millionaire. Oh the shame!
No, he's taking fire because he's been shutting on people with money for 50 years.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 2:58 pm to ShortyRob
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When, in the history of the world, has this not been the case?
I can think of a few times when they didn’t get away with things.
Certainly it should be expected that money and connections will enable you to mistreat the less monied and connected, because of human nature, but that should rationally lead people to distrust people with money and connections, to some extent.
And I think that might be what’s different now: to a large extent, and through a mix of consumerism down to the lowest classes and elite-controlled mass media propaganda, the ultra wealthy elite, who can rationally be expected to use their wealth and connections to further enrich themselves, possibly illegally/immorally and at the expense of everyone not in their club, are now reflexively defended by people whose ancestors would not have trusted them a bit.
And this is possibly/likely enabling them to get away with more than they otherwise would.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 3:02 pm to Bard
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Liberals see wealth as a finite resource, this means that in order for you to be wealthy then you must therefore be keeping someone else from being wealthy.
It's a bit odd to try to understand but it's easier if you think of wealth as a pie chart. So if someone's slice gets bigger, it can do so only because someone else's slice has gotten smaller.
This, of course, completely ignores that wealth can be created (thus any pie would have to have a large share that is actually infinite and marked as "unrealized wealth") which is why it's a fallacy.
You are right that wealth is not finite. And yeah, there are lots of wealthy people who are innovative, talented, and deliver something that is valuable to society. However, it's not like all of the criticism directed at the wealthy comes from closet communists envious of the hard work and good fortune of others. People are more selective than that.
There are also lots of shady billionaires and snake oil salesmen. The system is sorta rigged for people who already have a lot of money. They have figured out that if you have enough money and/or you are responsible for enough of other people's money, you become untouchable.
That's why the banks can't fail. That's why the auto manufacturers can't fail. That's why Jeffrey Epstein got off. That's why Jussie got off. That's why Hillary will never be prosecuted, regardless of what she did or did not do. There's a certain entitlement that comes from being rich.
This post was edited on 4/10/19 at 3:04 pm
Posted on 4/10/19 at 3:04 pm to uway
quote:You can think of times where the more powerful people in a human society didn't get away with things?
I can think of a few times when they didn’t get away with things.
Name one.
quote:No more than it being completely rational to distrust other groups because they're more likely to steal from you or kill you.
ertainly it should be expected that money and connections will enable you to mistreat the less monied and connected, because of human nature, but that should rationally lead people to distrust people with money and connections, to some extent.
They're still just individuals.
quote:Why do you keep talking about "them"?
are now reflexively defended by people whose ancestors would not have trusted them a bit.
OF COURSE I should defend THEM. They're fellow Americans just like you.
Like with most groups in America, the vast majority of rich people are perfectly decent people. They are no more likely to be bad people than anyone in my neighborhood. Probably less.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 3:07 pm to HoopyD
Probably when people realized the great recession enriched them while the rest of us were suffering
This post was edited on 4/10/19 at 3:22 pm
Posted on 4/10/19 at 3:07 pm to bmy
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Probably when people realized the great recession eniched them while the rest of us were suffering
Posted on 4/10/19 at 3:09 pm to HoopyD
Only for non-Democrats is wealth a bad thing. Bernie wrote a book and earned his money. Everybody else either stole or inherited theirs.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 3:10 pm to Homesick Tiger
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But they are our employers. You got any friends willing to pay you what you make just so you can be their friend?
My employer is very wealthy. He is not part of the elite that is running this country by proxy.
But why do these conversations always go there? I’ve used that same argument you’re using, but think about it. It makes it sound like we are lucky that our betters are allowing us to survive. Do you think that if the ultra wealthy (we are not talking about your employer here) were all rounded up and shot that everything would come to a halt? That we poor non-elites wouldn’t figure out a way to survive without multi-billionaires around to profit off of our labor?
I’m not anti-capitalism at all. But if a small group of people are scheming capitalism for their own enrichment and our detriment, in what is a perversion of free markets, we should not be ok with that.
At the very least we should be wary.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 3:10 pm to bmy
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Probably when people realized the great recession eniched them while the rest of us were suffering
I'm sure there were speculators who made a killing from the Great Depression as well.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 3:12 pm to vistajay
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See the robber barons
What about them? They created the industrial giant that is the United States. Most of them started with absolutely nothing, and achieved wealth that would make Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos look like paupers in today's dollars.
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