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re: When did being rich become a bad thing?

Posted on 4/10/19 at 6:54 pm to
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 4/10/19 at 6:54 pm to
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Wealth used to be a measure of success; something to aspire to. Now it's portrayed as evil and out of touch. Heck, even Bernie Sanders is now taking fire because he may be a millionaire. Oh the shame! 



Sanders is being targeted for not mapping to a non-existent requirement. He never said we should all be poor or have the same.

As for point one, the economy, the tax code and regulations can be evaluated by how many there are in jail.
The bottom quarter of the class of 2020 won't make it.
We do not need them.
We have automatons in factories, illegals, smart people.

This post was edited on 4/10/19 at 6:55 pm
Posted by cr32pll29
Member since Apr 2017
500 posts
Posted on 4/10/19 at 6:58 pm to
If humanity is to progress beyond the stars, our focus should be great deeds, not great wealth.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298305 posts
Posted on 4/10/19 at 7:00 pm to
Once Marxism infiltrated our institutions
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 4/10/19 at 7:02 pm to
when democrats discovered envy gets them votes

Of course they are bought and paid for by the richest people alive.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298305 posts
Posted on 4/10/19 at 7:02 pm to
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When 0.01 percent of the population control over 80% of the re4sources of a nation,


Such a simpleton argument
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298305 posts
Posted on 4/10/19 at 7:04 pm to
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they are too enamored of their myths, free markets, free trade will solve everything magically.


Nah, if you were academically inclined you would understand it's based on solid evidence

Economics.
Posted by cr32pll29
Member since Apr 2017
500 posts
Posted on 4/10/19 at 7:06 pm to
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Such a simpleton argument



It is simple, but... is it not true?
Posted by cr32pll29
Member since Apr 2017
500 posts
Posted on 4/10/19 at 7:11 pm to
Economics is full of fraud and lies, they make it complex sounding on purpose, so common people can not examine it effectively.

Remember that nation early in the 20th century that defied economic orthodoxy to skyrocket past everybody else from the very bottom of the pile, only to be destroyed a few years later by a jealous world.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298305 posts
Posted on 4/10/19 at 7:14 pm to
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Economics is full of fraud and lies




Ive noticed a trend with you class warfare lefties, you really hate the academics of economics
Posted by cr32pll29
Member since Apr 2017
500 posts
Posted on 4/10/19 at 7:16 pm to
I am not a leftie, and I am not a right winger either, I am a third positionist.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298305 posts
Posted on 4/10/19 at 7:16 pm to
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It is simple, but... is it not true?



A big part of the issue is that marxists are convinced that the rich take away opportunity from the poor, that it's a zero sum game

It's not.
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 4/10/19 at 7:17 pm to
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If anything, we have a democratization of wealth. America is home to almost 16 million millionaires. 90% or so in the $1 to $5 million range.

That's 1 in 20 folks. Sure, we have the super rich (who have always been with us) and they're highly visible (ditto). The class warfare to demonize those folks has never paused since the Communist Manifesto took root with the radicals and political left in the mid 19th Century.


14.8 millionaire households and the statistics include the value of a home. nearly 1.5 million of those households are in california or new york. 1 in 20 sounds about right.

but 34 percent of the wealth in "affluent" households was in their primary residence
This post was edited on 4/10/19 at 7:23 pm
Posted by cr32pll29
Member since Apr 2017
500 posts
Posted on 4/10/19 at 7:18 pm to
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Ive noticed a trend with you class warfare lefties



I do not want class warfare, I want all good people to to pull together to make a better future for all.
Posted by cr32pll29
Member since Apr 2017
500 posts
Posted on 4/10/19 at 7:22 pm to
I despise marx, i think he was full of shite, but laissez faire capitalism leads to rule by oligarchs, we need to find another way.
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 4/10/19 at 7:23 pm to
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I despise marx, i think he was full of shite, but laissez faire capitalism leads to rule by oligarchs, we need to find another way.


leads to a plutocracy. but the powerful or lucky or privileged have always been the pack leader.. you're fighting against human nature
Posted by cr32pll29
Member since Apr 2017
500 posts
Posted on 4/10/19 at 7:27 pm to
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leads to a plutocracy. but the powerful or lucky or privileged have always been the pack leader.. you're fighting against human nature


I agree, what do you think of that experiment that a certain northern european nation did during the first half of the last century, I think that it was a total succes, and should be a model for all of us.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298305 posts
Posted on 4/10/19 at 7:28 pm to
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but laissez faire capitalism leads to rule by oligarchs,


Nah.

The current system does which is a hybrid, cozy relation between govt and industry

A true free market system would have more cottage industry and less corporations, which are a government created entity.

Government "printing" money, manipulating the economy and being cozy with corporations has created disparity and allowed people to become wealthy on paper.
This post was edited on 4/10/19 at 7:32 pm
Posted by cr32pll29
Member since Apr 2017
500 posts
Posted on 4/10/19 at 7:31 pm to
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Nah.


Are you ignoring reality? because it is quite clear that we are ruled by a few super wealthy ones.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
138530 posts
Posted on 4/10/19 at 7:32 pm to
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it gets a little ridiculous and the disparity becomes too much across-the-board
Would you like a 25% pay increase?

How about if everyone else received the same?

Congrats! You just contributed to the great wealth disparity.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298305 posts
Posted on 4/10/19 at 7:34 pm to
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because it is quite clear that we are ruled by a few super wealthy ones.


Sounds like a conspiracy theory to me.
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