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re: When are we, as Americans, going to feel shame over the millions killed in our name?

Posted on 2/9/24 at 6:36 am to
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
3951 posts
Posted on 2/9/24 at 6:36 am to
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If you feel America is corrupt and run by crooks who hate this country, its very hard to follow them into war.


Not when you realize that the leaders you'd be fighting are far, far worse.

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Even for those who don't give a damn about how blood soaked we have become


Do you want to have a serious discussion or not?

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why on earth would you follow your enemy into battle?


Because sometimes it's in your own best interest.

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Why would you support fighting half way around the world when your own border is open?


Because those are two different situations that have very little—if not nothing—to do with each other. There are two different American forces responsible for addressing each of them and they don't work together. It's like asking why you would stop a robbery when there's a fire happening across town.

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Why would you join such a fight when half the country considers you "irredeemable"?


What the hell does that have to do with anything? I'd be fighting for mine and my family and friend's interests, not someone's collective opinion of me.

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How can you really hate on putin when your commander n chief takes cash payments from our enemies?


Another non-sequitur. One has nothing to do with the other. A thinking person would condemn them both.

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Why would you blather on about defending "democracy" when you don't even believe elections in this country are fair.


I've personally never blathered about defending democracy. The way I see it some countries are never going to be free countries because they don't want to be and their citizens don't demand it. So what? What they end up doing may still impact my interests and the interests of my fellow citizens. Sometimes that looks like helping a country that does have some citizens in it who want freedom to achieve it or sustain it. It's not for them. It's for us.

As for elections I think they're about as fair as they ever have been. I think 2020 was a bit of an outlier because I think the stars aligned just right circumstantially for the Democrats to get just enough of an opening to be able to tip the election. But i also don't think that's the first time in our history that that has happened. And we still have created the highest standard of living this planet has ever known.

What is happening is that "conservatives" are falling for the same trick that Democrats have been falling for for some time. And for the same reason. They have abandoned their core principles.

All liberals have been able to think about for decades is how imperfect circumstances are. We have racism, we have sexism, we have bigotry, we have inequality, this is wrong, that over there is rotten, blah, blah, blah, blah.

And while someone is pointing, "LOOK...don't take your eyes off that garbage!" they are have totally missed the FACT that we now live in a society with the least racism, the least sexism, the least bigotry, the most civil rights, the least inequality (in terms of actual quality of life) that has ever existed on this planet.

Because all they can focus on is what's less than ideal.

It's a very toxic way to understand human existence. No one is ever satisfied that way. Everyone always wants to burn the world down when that's the viewpoint.

And entertainment hustlers like Tucker Carlson have figured out that you can sell that sort of addiction to victimhood to people who lean right just like you can to people who lean left. Instead of The Man being only white people like it is to the left, it's now become rich and/or powerful people to the right. Instead of Institutional Racism being the Thing That Oppresses Us And Keeps Life From Being Perfect, it's the Deep State.

And it's amazing to me that the populist right doesn't see this. They can see it very clearly if it's Al Sharpton playing that tune, but can't see it at all when Tucker Carlson plays it. They can see other people selling ideas for money like they have x-ray vision, but can't see it when its their heroes doing it.

Anyway, the "Merca First" narrative is exactly what I just described above. If America stops intervening in world affairs the world WILL become a more dangerous place to live and there WILL be consequences that reach our shores. And the consequences of refusing to act will outweigh the consequences of action, by a big margin.











Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
39380 posts
Posted on 2/9/24 at 2:39 pm to
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In other words, rampant hypocrisy due to having no principles to guide policy is what has happened. Not flip flopping.

I see your point that there is no flip flopping on principles, but there is flip flopping nonetheless. The left used to be hardliners on the first amendment; now they question it ON PRINCIPLE. The left used to fight against every foreign tussle we entered, and the right was almost always advocating action. Now the resistance to foreign entanglements comes from the right, and the left is all for funding wars - that’s a flip flop.
Posted by TommylasordaOG
Member since Feb 2024
94 posts
Posted on 2/9/24 at 2:40 pm to
I’ve already disowned our government. They’re completely dead to me
Posted by TommylasordaOG
Member since Feb 2024
94 posts
Posted on 2/9/24 at 2:41 pm to
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Cost of being the boss


We’re not the boss. G-O-D is the boss

And I guarantee he hates what this country has participated in. We deserve everything that’s coming to us
This post was edited on 2/9/24 at 2:42 pm
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
25032 posts
Posted on 2/9/24 at 2:44 pm to
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Do you know what the Russian found with they invaded Ukraine? Bioweapons labs... everywhere. American Bioweapons labs.



PuTinZ propaganda! #ArrestTucker
#TraitorTuck !
Posted by TommylasordaOG
Member since Feb 2024
94 posts
Posted on 2/9/24 at 2:44 pm to
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Shame? The women of America hold, as a pillar of their religion, the execution of babies. Why would anyone care about life at all, given that? The leaders,elected and installed, carry their water.


Correct. 60 million some dead babies and people think God wouldn’t be right to destroy this nation? Hey but im sure if you tell him i voted for trump 3 times he’ll probably accept that as an excuse
This post was edited on 2/9/24 at 2:47 pm
Posted by scottydoesntknow
Member since Nov 2023
2045 posts
Posted on 2/9/24 at 2:47 pm to
I feel tremendous shame for it. God certainly is judging us
Posted by TommylasordaOG
Member since Feb 2024
94 posts
Posted on 2/9/24 at 2:48 pm to
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Never. Because if we hadn't intervened like we did in the vast majority of cases, more people would have died.


Madeline Albright has an account here?
Posted by TommylasordaOG
Member since Feb 2024
94 posts
Posted on 2/9/24 at 3:00 pm to
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Now this, this is how you get put on a watch list.


Why would you be on a watch list? Because we have a naked rotten government and everyone knows it we’re supposed to pretend otherwise
Posted by Ray Ray Rodman
Florida
Member since Mar 2005
17654 posts
Posted on 2/9/24 at 3:04 pm to
Well, if you buy what Trump and Putin are claiming, then America is THE bad guy.





Posted by DavidTheGnome
Monroe
Member since Apr 2015
29169 posts
Posted on 2/9/24 at 3:04 pm to
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wackatimesthree



Great post
Posted by TommylasordaOG
Member since Feb 2024
94 posts
Posted on 2/9/24 at 3:09 pm to
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This is why all the neocons cry "bull shite" over our right wing "conspiracy theories". Because they are smart enough to know that only a fool would fight for a corrupt country. And they do love a good fight.


Bingo
Posted by TommylasordaOG
Member since Feb 2024
94 posts
Posted on 2/9/24 at 3:19 pm to
That fact that 38 people downvoted this thread shows how lost this board is
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
30609 posts
Posted on 2/9/24 at 3:27 pm to
We haven’t killed 12 million.

We can’t come home, we have to keep shipping lanes open for our economy and way of life. We have to in a lot of places to keep the cancers from getting here
Posted by SOSFAN
Blythewood
Member since Jun 2018
12222 posts
Posted on 2/9/24 at 4:03 pm to
I propose the 32nd of Neveruary as the official shaming holiday.
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