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When are we, as Americans, going to feel shame over the millions killed in our name?
Posted on 2/8/24 at 3:58 am
Posted on 2/8/24 at 3:58 am
I'm not saying America is always wrong or our intentions are always bad. But at some point we have to recognize that something has gone terribly, terribly wrong.
I'm talking about the twelve million people, men, women and children killed by our armed forces since the end of ww2.
And this doesn't include all the people harmed and killed by our intelligence services through clandestine operations, or the millions more killed with weapons we have flooded the world with. It doesn't include the millions who will die from ill conceived vaccines and suspicious engineered viruses collaborated on with the Chinese. And it doesn't include dead Presidents and political figures likely killed by elements within the government.
We as a country are sick. Our leadership is sick. They are self loathing freaks that have siezed hold of the death cult... the zero carbon suicide cult who's purpose is to depopulate the earth.
Do you know what the Russian found with they invaded Ukraine? Bioweapons labs... everywhere. American Bioweapons labs.
This is no time for patriotism. Patriotism is to citizenship what snake handling is to religion. This is a time to return to first principles. No more flag waving. No more moral superiority towards countries like Russia.
What we need to do is come home. Just come home. We need to bring our troops home. We need to shut down our biolabs and bases and just come home. And we need to bring our attention home.
The battles we need to fight are right here at home. We need no destractions.
First principles. A secure border. Fiscal responsibility. A respect for the Bill of Rights. Law and Order on our streets. Downsizing and reforming our corrupt institutions.
Our leadership is sick. Our power elite is insane. We have to stop enabling their insanity.
I'm talking about the twelve million people, men, women and children killed by our armed forces since the end of ww2.
And this doesn't include all the people harmed and killed by our intelligence services through clandestine operations, or the millions more killed with weapons we have flooded the world with. It doesn't include the millions who will die from ill conceived vaccines and suspicious engineered viruses collaborated on with the Chinese. And it doesn't include dead Presidents and political figures likely killed by elements within the government.
We as a country are sick. Our leadership is sick. They are self loathing freaks that have siezed hold of the death cult... the zero carbon suicide cult who's purpose is to depopulate the earth.
Do you know what the Russian found with they invaded Ukraine? Bioweapons labs... everywhere. American Bioweapons labs.
This is no time for patriotism. Patriotism is to citizenship what snake handling is to religion. This is a time to return to first principles. No more flag waving. No more moral superiority towards countries like Russia.
What we need to do is come home. Just come home. We need to bring our troops home. We need to shut down our biolabs and bases and just come home. And we need to bring our attention home.
The battles we need to fight are right here at home. We need no destractions.
First principles. A secure border. Fiscal responsibility. A respect for the Bill of Rights. Law and Order on our streets. Downsizing and reforming our corrupt institutions.
Our leadership is sick. Our power elite is insane. We have to stop enabling their insanity.
This post was edited on 2/8/24 at 8:54 am
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Posted on 2/8/24 at 4:21 am to RiverCityTider
The People are not directly culpable, but certainly more responsibility at the ballot box is in order. It will be the betrayal of the American voter, which is a gross injustice, that finally creates change. More and more Americans are feeling betrayed by DC.
Although, many Americans are waking up to a degree of culpability by continually sending the same people back to DC, over and over.
“If you have the power to put a stop to subjugation, yet look the other way while it happens, then you have done it yourselves,” Thucydides
As Congress has turned over and people have voted for change, voted to not go to war, to be responsible with the budget, and so forth - the constant has been a betrayal of the voter. It has not come from that many people that are outside the two major parties. But it has been a constant from the two major parties.
There are no exceptions among Democrats. None.
There have been very few exceptions from the Republican side.
If you want change, you have to change the way you vote. Stop voting for incumbents, stop voting for the two major parties, and for sure stop voting for Democrats.
Although, many Americans are waking up to a degree of culpability by continually sending the same people back to DC, over and over.
“If you have the power to put a stop to subjugation, yet look the other way while it happens, then you have done it yourselves,” Thucydides
As Congress has turned over and people have voted for change, voted to not go to war, to be responsible with the budget, and so forth - the constant has been a betrayal of the voter. It has not come from that many people that are outside the two major parties. But it has been a constant from the two major parties.
There are no exceptions among Democrats. None.
There have been very few exceptions from the Republican side.
If you want change, you have to change the way you vote. Stop voting for incumbents, stop voting for the two major parties, and for sure stop voting for Democrats.
Posted on 2/8/24 at 5:29 am to RiverCityTider
Quite honestly, I don't care about the millions we've killed. Cost of being the boss. Moreso i care about why we killed all those millions. Across party lines it seems they've all had the same mission. Destroy the fabric of which America was built on. So much so that we, as a proud country of citizens for the most part, have resorted to Donald Trump to save our freedoms and rights. Let that sink in. I'm a Trump voter and proudly but no way I would've imagined him being the beacon of hope 20 years ago.
Posted on 2/8/24 at 5:36 am to RiverCityTider
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When are we, as Americans, going to feel shame
Posted on 2/8/24 at 5:37 am to lsufanva
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I don't care about the millions we've killed.
I havent killed anyon, so yeah, I dont know why I should feel shame
Posted on 2/8/24 at 5:49 am to RiverCityTider
We don’t live in a vacuum and coming home just isn’t a realistic option. Our presence in a lot of areas is all that holds those regions stable. If we pull out, many more die but also our way of life/trade/economy, would be drastically affected. What should be done is evaluate each area and understand why we are there. If it serves a legitimate purpose for our citizens and that regions stability, then stay. If it doesn’t, then move out.
We do need to focus more resources, time, energy and etc in cleaning up our home. We need to secure the border with the laws we already have. We also need to clean up the media propaganda and make them responsible for the bullshite they spread. If the media did their job correctly, we wouldn’t be in 3/4 of the stuff we are in. Their constant covering up of the uniparty has allowed all of this. Finally, we need to expose those that do us harm. From the people bank rolling it, to those carrying out the destruction of America, and hold them accountable to the highest means of justice.
We do need to focus more resources, time, energy and etc in cleaning up our home. We need to secure the border with the laws we already have. We also need to clean up the media propaganda and make them responsible for the bullshite they spread. If the media did their job correctly, we wouldn’t be in 3/4 of the stuff we are in. Their constant covering up of the uniparty has allowed all of this. Finally, we need to expose those that do us harm. From the people bank rolling it, to those carrying out the destruction of America, and hold them accountable to the highest means of justice.
Posted on 2/8/24 at 5:56 am to RiverCityTider
There are quite a few here, and a lot on the OT, that will never question the death and destruction our government has wrought across the world.
I’m not personally ashamed, but I am ashamed of my government.
I’ll share a little personal story that I’ve shared here before but it seems apropos now for your thread. When I met my then future Russian in laws for the first time in St. Petersburg, my then future father-in-law said “so this is the American I’ve heard so much about.” I said something like “I hope you won’t hold that against me.” He shook his head and said “people are not the problem, governments are the problem.” Then he embraced me.
I’m not personally ashamed, but I am ashamed of my government.
I’ll share a little personal story that I’ve shared here before but it seems apropos now for your thread. When I met my then future Russian in laws for the first time in St. Petersburg, my then future father-in-law said “so this is the American I’ve heard so much about.” I said something like “I hope you won’t hold that against me.” He shook his head and said “people are not the problem, governments are the problem.” Then he embraced me.
Posted on 2/8/24 at 6:01 am to LuckyTiger
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There are quite a few here, and a lot on the OT, that will never question the death and destruction our government has wrought across the world.
The USA is the worlds bully, but I dont vote to support that stuff and feel no shame.
Posted on 2/8/24 at 6:07 am to RiverCityTider
D.C. does not represent America. Fighting in their armies for their interests instead using that money to improve lives at home is working directly against your families own best interest. Then there is the fact that they already have your replacement coming across the border once you die in battle for their foreign investments.
Posted on 2/8/24 at 6:14 am to RiverCityTider
Eloquent and truthful. “He that leadeth into captivity, goeth into captivity “. I suspect that we will soon be ‘drinking of the cup of the which we served’ to those millions of the which you lament. Albeit as some have pointed out, it was not the honest but naive working people who bear the blame, but the “powers and principalities in high places” and corrupt leaders’ that led us down this pernicious path. Humanity learns at each other’s expense, and though I seriously doubt that we will be able to right the ship given the psychological dynamics of our current civilizational paradigm minus greater suffering and death, it is critical and pivotal that we acknowledge our failings, repent and seek clear and loving (unifying) vision and seek guidance from Above in order to mitigate our obvious imperfections. I would and must suggest Jesus Christ as that ‘Above’ Power, but given said dynamic, that throws gas on the flames. IMO, we’ll move through our learn, repent and “pay the wages of sin” time and be better people for it. I hope to live to see that “coming in the clouds “ but suspect that many who stand right beside me will not see the same, but rather only monumental ugliness and pointless suffering. As such may be Subjective, no Faith equals no Vision. If we exist in a Spiritual Realm (God) then it’s all good in due time. Lord have mercy on them who love.
Posted on 2/8/24 at 6:15 am to RiverCityTider
Shame? The women of America hold, as a pillar of their religion, the execution of babies. Why would anyone care about life at all, given that? The leaders,elected and installed, carry their water.
This post was edited on 2/8/24 at 8:45 am
Posted on 2/8/24 at 6:30 am to RiverCityTider
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First principles. A secure border. Fiscal responsibility. A respect for the Bill of Rights. Law and Order on our streets. Downsizing and reforming our corrupt institutions.
I’d give the Constitution Party a serious look if these are your hot buttons. The current two party platform will not get you there.
Posted on 2/8/24 at 6:33 am to RiverCityTider
You’ve had a Tony Stark epiphany
Posted on 2/8/24 at 6:35 am to RiverCityTider
In recent history this should begin and end with the Iraq War. The politicians who perpetrated it should be tried for their crimes against humanity. So many millions of lives destroyed, terminated or forever altered over nothing but lies.
Posted on 2/8/24 at 6:44 am to RiverCityTider
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I'm not saying America is always wrong or our intentions are always bad. But at some point we have to recognize that something has gone terribly, terribly wrong.
I think the government and it’s leaders have a lot to answer for, but I don’t think it’s right to lay some millstone of guilt around the necks of Americans that have absolutely nothing to do with these decisions. I am certainly not happy about it, but there’s enough personal shame and guilt people carry around with them every day that piling more on is not helpful to them and serves no purpose.
Instead, if we really want to do something about it, why don’t we vote for small government, you know, the kind that doesn’t involve themselves in foreign affairs, the kind our founding fathers and leaders up until WW2 practiced pretty well for the most part.
Posted on 2/8/24 at 6:46 am to RiverCityTider
The leadership is fake. The people making these decisions are not elected.
Posted on 2/8/24 at 7:06 am to RiverCityTider
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I'm talking about the twelve million people, men, women and children killed by our armed forces since the end of ww2.
The Korean conflict was righteous. We would have been justified in completely deleting Afghanistan after 9/11.
Otherwise, the interventions we have been involved have been for either political gain, profit or some combination, so I agree with you on balance.
(ETA: Americans, collectively, are largely well-intentioned and that extends to servicemen up through field grade officers. It is the civilian and military upper leadership/management that is the problem.)
This post was edited on 2/8/24 at 7:08 am
Posted on 2/8/24 at 7:10 am to RiverCityTider
We are blinded by corn syrup and free high-quality porn at our fingertips.
Posted on 2/8/24 at 7:11 am to RogerTheShrubber
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The USA is the worlds bully, but I dont vote to support that stuff and feel no shame.
You believe that you don’t, but you do.
Posted on 2/8/24 at 7:18 am to RiverCityTider
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When are we, as Americans, going to feel shame over the millions killed in our name?
Never.
Because if we hadn't intervened like we did in the vast majority of cases, more people would have died.
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