re: When are we, as Americans, going to feel shame over the millions killed in our name?

What about the millions we saved by interviening in WW1 and WW2?

It’s a pretty simplistic view of history for one and we can argue about Vietnam for days but Communism was a real threat look no further than N Korea or China today. We had no choice in Korea and should have continued into China. That leaves Iraq as a very questionable war but there weren’t millions killed in Iraq by any stretch of the imagination. The mistake we made in Afghanistan was not finishing the job and staying too long trying to build a democratic government that was never going to succeed

The millions upon millions who have come here and thrived far outweighs the bad we’ve done.

And frankly. It’s not even close.

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Quite honestly, I don't care about the millions we've killed. Cost of being the boss.

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Turns out "The Boss" has been mass murdering "them" AND his own (us) -- but always under the banner of "Americans defending our nation, our freedom, and way of life!" (aka 110% bulls#.)

You and me ain't the "Boss" of anything -- least of all our own lives. The American male has conscripted against his will, conned and coerced into fighting, bleeding and dying for the Ruling Class -- to extend their Empire, their power & control.

Whether WW1 or WW2, Civil War, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq War 1 & 2, or Afghanistan -- ALL of the "millions killed in our name" were completely unnecessary when the real background of "history" is examined.

Countless millions of innocent civilian/military lives have fallen at the altar of the Ruling Class elites -- whether "in the name" of America, Britain, the Prussian-German empire, or the Roman Empire. The citizenry have always just NPCs and pawns of their "Game".

These unethical, immoral pagan 1% Ruling Class "Boss" luciferians have lied all along, fabricating BS reasons for War resulting in generational mass murder, mass trauma, blood rituals and scorched earth.

The Lord shall sort out these "Bosses", Kings and Rulers of the Earth come Judgement Day.

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There were not 100's of biolabs in Ukraine. The 30 or so that were there were not manufacturing bioweapons. They were conducting bio research involving public health and agriculture, with the help of US and other scientist from other nations.

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Atta boy!

I must have missed that official CNN-MSNBC-State Dept press release at the time. Good thing you clarified this misunderstanding. 'Murica is NOT involved in bioweapon ANYTHING!

Our media is a willing partner in spreading our government's lies.

If you think media is messed up on local issues, its 10x worse on International matters, as they have even fewer checks and balances to counter their misinformation.

People in the U.S. usually mean well, but our politicians and the press often are able to pull the wool over their eyes.

Aren't you calling for a species of "White Guilt"?

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It’s a pretty simplistic view of history for one and we can argue about Vietnam for days but Communism was a real threat look no further than N Korea or China today. We had no choice in Korea and should have continued into China.

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MASSIVE FAILS. And NOT true by any and all true measures.

We can "argue" for all of 3 seconds about narratives that were based solely on state dept propaganda and more bulls# fear porn that enriched the MIC and politicians.

In NO way was any military action in Korea worth 200k American casualties, nor another 200k casualties in Vietnam as per doctrines and wars fought NOT to "win" in the first place.

Moreover, USA govt officials -- besides having somehow "gifted" China High Tech and weaponry "secrets" during the 1990s with absolute immunity -- also help aid & abet these same Commies as out biggest trading partner (while at the same time gutting US manufacturing).

(And in case you also hadn't noticed -- part & parcel of the governance is controlled by Communist faction right here in the good ol' USA.)

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The mistake we made in Afghanistan was not finishing the job...

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You really love you some bulls# wars, don't you?

A large number of Americans routinely celebrate and advocate for the murder of THEIR OWN unborn children. Why should we be surprised then that our government is a killing machine when it comes to people outside this country's borders?

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People forget how the US tried for most of its existence to not get involved in major wars.

Our non-interventionist nature made us late getting involved in both world wars and our lack of maintaining a substantial military in both cases prolonged both conflicts. That was a lesson we learned, whether for good or bad. We (the US and Europe) came out of WW2 scared to death of a militarized Soviet Union and we had felt the need to protect ourselves. Any country that fell to communism might tilt the balance.

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Well, America has become a tabloid culture again.

Whether it's Russia, Russia, Russia or Jan 6th on the left or whether it's Tucker Carlson recycling the suburban legend that the government is importing illegal immigrants to arm so that they can fight and subdue American citizens, what people respond to and are motivated by in 2024 might as well come out of the Weekly World News (that's the tabloid they used to sell in line at the grocery store with headlines like, "Behold, A Real Batboy!" or "I Trapped Satan In My Garden Shed!"

Just about everybody in the country has become as gullible as my grandparents back in the 70s who believed the WWN b/c they reasoned that the publication wouldn't be allowed to print those things if they weren't true.

And, of course, they grew up during a time in which yellow/tabloid journalism was around the first time, so they were already primed for it.

It used to be mainstream, then for a time it was relegated to the grocery store impulse-item shelf, and now it's mainstream again.

But yeah. All one has to do is look at history. But it doesn't matter what you look at if all you do is listen to the tabloid muck-rakers. Hell, I've confronted several only-Trumpers here who claim that Nikki Haley or Joe Biden are trying to start WWIII for profit (because they've been told to think that by the muck-rakers) with the reality that nobody in question has said or done anything as aggressive as Donald Trump did his first term with regard to foreign policy, and I just get a blank stare back.

And that was only a few years ago. So there's no way they're going to remember about something that happened 100 years ago. They can't even remember what happened 5 years ago in their zeal to rail against some conspiracy nonsense.

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That said, do we have an issue with military spending being controlled by politicians both inside and outside of the military? Yes. Do I sleep better at night knowing that we have the strength to not be invaded like the Ukraine? Also yes. Am I afraid that a large part of our military, especially in the leadership, is very politically oriented? Another yes, but I acknowledge that aspect has been intertwined with our military since the formation of this country.

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The bottom line is that—like everything else in this world—there are pros and cons to military intervention and "being the world's policeman."

To any halfway cogent observer it seems that it would be obvious that the pros of accepting and continuing that role outweigh the cons. And not just for Americans, but for pretty much the whole world, but certainly not excepting Americans.

As for it being political and politicians making money off of it, sure they do. They also make money off of energy, banking, the stock market, and just about anything else that makes money that you can think of.

That someone like Carlson can wind people up and make them believe that just because Nikki Haley or Joe Biden or someone else makes money off of military intervention , that means we should just completely swear it off is a testament to how unthinking people have become.

Politicians can see an opportunity to make money influencing the country to do something, but that has nothing to do with whether it's a good idea to do it or not. You have to make that determination independent of that consideration.