re: What Would Biden/Dems Do Different Than Trump In Handling Chinavirus

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Easy. They'd ask the press to cover it up and you'd never hear about it. They would be talking about how Hillary stole the show at the G20 in her stunning one piece.

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Yep. The unbelievable hypocrisy is disgusting.

I still haven't heard any rebuttal about the effectiveness of masks from these non-liberal sources. Or any rebuttal with backing or any of my charges of Trump's malfeasance.

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Something like 75% of all recent deaths/cases have come from 5 sunbelt and western states.

You keep on viewing this as a national outbreak. But right now it is anything but. The northeast is doing as well as Europe right now, as are some Midwest states

California, Texas, Arizona, and Florida finally got their first wave.

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More than pretty much anyone on this Board I’m aware of how localized the outbreaks are. My March and April was very different than anyone else’s if you recall our chats from back then. So you’re right, even though cases are rising in many places, the worst of it is confided to certain areas which happen to have lots of people. But other countries have multiple population centers as well and many of those countries’ populations centers have never had an outbreak. Once they learned how to manage the disease, they’d stamp it out before outbreaks began in new cities. For example, Bavaria, the Germany state where Munich lies, got hit with what in Germany would be considered a bad outbreak: ~50K cases, ~2K deaths on a population of 13 million. The German state Hesse, where Frankfort lies, population 6 million has only had 11K cases and 500 deaths. Berlin (pop: 3M only 9K cases, 300 deaths) Which to say, there has been no first wave in Frankfort; there has been no first wave in Berlin. Germany, which practices federalism just as we do, has a national strategy that they’ve executed so that these first waves never occur. Meanwhile Florida has had as many deaths as over the last couple of weeks as those three German states combined have had since the start of this thing. I suppose my point is that we have the knowledge necessary to stop new first waves. We’ve seen it work elsewhere. We can do this. We should do this.

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What in your view did these governors do wrong? The data coming out of these states in May justified a reopening imo.

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I’m not necessarily arguing that the governors did anything wrong. I think many of the things that need(ed) to be done, the "right" things, sit outside of the scope and funding capabilities of governors.
- I think a universal masking policy is essential and that requires a “one band, one sound” level of cooperation across all levels of government and, to be frank, power in the country (federal, state, local gov’t, media, faith organizations, celebrity, academic, business, etc.).
- We need to be doing contact tracing on a scale sufficient to the amount of disease in the country. That’s thousands and thousands of people
- We need to have some capacity to quarantine people away from family. right now hotel utilization is super low, seems like there’s a price that makes this happen
- I think production of PPE, civilian masks & N95s, testing reagent should be prioritized as if its war time.
- I think we need to close bars & dine in restaurants indefinitely and therefore need to pay a crap ton of money to keep owners of the same whole
- We needed to have figured out a plan to get kids safely back to school months ago. No version of such a plan will avoid massive testing need. That’s gonna cost a ton.
- We need to be flexible enough to lever down if an ember turns into a fire without weeks of pointless and costly caterwauling.

I suppose my answer continues to be, do what everyone else has done and we should enjoy the same outcomes.

Wear cooler shades than DJT.

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Side note: what Japan & Spain count as "spread issues" is a different animal than what we do.

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Japan? yes-ish. they never really committed to testing (largely to try and salvage the games) and don't have the demographic issues we do that increase the likelihood of death. they're also dealing with the milder, asian strain

Spain, meh. Spain handled this crisis infinitely worse than we did. look at their deaths/million

but to your larger point, yes the spread is going to smart smaller in places that shut down harder (by subsidizing their populations to not go to work, essentially). if we don't get a vaccine pretty quickly, this won't matter in the end

the world has shown that we can squash the spread with draconian and absurdly expensive measure to basically stop society from functioning as normal. the world has also shown that as soon as we let up, spread will start again.

Biden wouldn't have spent any effort on covid19, because covid19 wouldn't be considered a big deal if he was potus. Msm wouldn't create the mass panic about covid19. When nondemocrats bring it up, msm and dems would just smugly say that they're being conspiracy theorists.


There definitely wouldn't be live steaming covid19 death counters.

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As far as the rest of your post, I'm not going to quote it and address each question, because I probably agree with 90-95% of all of it. I'm not so sure how realistic #1 could have been pulled off in advance, but do agree that it would have been good if truly possible. I pretty much agree with the rest.

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My sense was this all along from your posts all over this site. I didn't understand your reaction to my post, and appreciate your acknowledging the bad reflex - - - truce it is.