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re: What makes me mad is illegals pay no income tax (fill out no W4 or 1099, have no SSN)
Posted on 1/29/26 at 7:45 am to AUJACK
Posted on 1/29/26 at 7:45 am to AUJACK
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They usually get a TIN, which can be used to apply for a driver's licence and file a tax return.
Illegals can get an ITIN number in every state, not just California. Additionally, the IRS has permitted the use of ITINs, rather than valid Social Security numbers, for claiming the refundable portion of the Child Tax Credit (ACTC)
the ACTC is one of the REFUNDABLE tax credits, meaning they don't have to have any reported income to claim it, its free money through the IRS system. Which also beefs up the numbers of "oooh but the illegals are paying taxes" numbers. No, they aren't. They are filling out the paperwork so they can get a free $1700 per child per year via check from Uncle Sam.
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Posted on 1/29/26 at 7:49 am to jrobic4
quote:should both be $0
Payroll tax far outgrosses income tax
Founding fathers would roll over in their graves
Posted on 1/29/26 at 7:54 am to TigerBaitOohHaHa
From Center for Immigration Studies (2021):
..so about $9 BILLION every year just through the IRS system
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Despite their names, both programs are cash payments, not tax refunds. Millions of illegal immigrants have Social Security numbers (SSNs), potentially allowing them to receive cash payments from the EITC and ACTC. Illegals without SSNs who have U.S.-born children are also allowed to receive the ACTC by using an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN). Based on their income and number of U.S.-born children, we estimate that illegal immigrants may receive between $3.8 and $4.5 billion from the two programs. This is in addition to the $4.4 billion we have previously estimated illegals likely received in stimulus checks this year.
..so about $9 BILLION every year just through the IRS system
This post was edited on 1/29/26 at 7:56 am
Posted on 1/29/26 at 7:56 am to JSmat931
Incorrect.
TIN instead of a Social Security number for illegal immigrants.
Of course, many work for cash and don’t report it. Just like millions of United States citizens. In those cases, just as much, if not more, blame goes to the American citizen employers who pay them cash because it’s cheaper. Capitalism!
TIN instead of a Social Security number for illegal immigrants.
Of course, many work for cash and don’t report it. Just like millions of United States citizens. In those cases, just as much, if not more, blame goes to the American citizen employers who pay them cash because it’s cheaper. Capitalism!
This post was edited on 1/29/26 at 7:57 am
Posted on 1/29/26 at 8:04 am to JSmat931
If illegals really do not pay income tax, the only emotion I would feel is jealousy. Jealousy over the fact that I must pay. Jealousy over the fact that none of us should have to pay. Frick income tax.
This post was edited on 1/29/26 at 8:05 am
Posted on 1/29/26 at 8:07 am to JSmat931
Forget about it. They broke our immigration laws. Deport them.
If employers break our immigration or tax laws, indict them and prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law.
If you don’t like it, lobby Congress and get the laws that you don’t like, changed.
If employers break our immigration or tax laws, indict them and prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law.
If you don’t like it, lobby Congress and get the laws that you don’t like, changed.
Posted on 1/29/26 at 8:26 am to JSmat931
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What makes me mad is illegals pay no income tax
I’ve got good news, all the ones committing fraud (utilizing a fraudulent SSN) do pay some small amount in tax.
I’m not sure it’s good news. Just putting it out there.
Posted on 1/29/26 at 8:30 am to JSmat931
Even worse they don’t have to pay for that scam that’s social security or Medicare
Posted on 1/29/26 at 8:30 am to the808bass
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all the ones committing fraud (utilizing a fraudulent SSN) do pay some small amount in tax.
This is the correct answer.
And for a long time the IRS encouraged them to do it (steal SS numbers, I mean). Because they didn't get their tax money unless that happened.
So when someone says that illegals" who haven't committed any crimes" should stay because they pay income taxes, you can answer, "If they are paying income taxes, they've very likely committed a federal crime."
Posted on 1/29/26 at 8:32 am to JSmat931
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In order to pay taxes in any job you’ve ever had, you fill out a W4 or a 1099. To fill that out, you have to have a SSN, and the very least, the US govt has to know you actually exist and are a citizen to submit that form.
A ton of illegals have SSNs. I have “citizens” pass Everify, TWIC, and a 4 stage background check, only to get a letter from the Social Security administration a year later or so stating the “citizens” ssn doesn’t match the name.
And then they disappear. So they pay into SS, as well as federal and state withholdings, but this makes it even worse when you consider that politicians, knowing that SS is underfunded, will turn a blind eye.
This all could be so easily avoided.
This post was edited on 1/29/26 at 8:33 am
Posted on 1/29/26 at 8:33 am to JSmat931
Oh they have SSN #'s but they are stolen or fake.
The Latinos I worked with in the restaurant industry 10 years ago not only paid no tax, but they got full refund checks from the IRS for them and all their dependents.
Top that off with their child's doctor's appointments being "free" trips to the ER because, as one illegal waitress told me, "What are they going to do if we dont pay, send me home for free?"
The entire system is setup to screw working class folks over.
And enough of the stupid "We are a nation of immigrants."
No we aren't Karen, I was born here so f off with that bullshite rhetoric.
The Latinos I worked with in the restaurant industry 10 years ago not only paid no tax, but they got full refund checks from the IRS for them and all their dependents.
Top that off with their child's doctor's appointments being "free" trips to the ER because, as one illegal waitress told me, "What are they going to do if we dont pay, send me home for free?"
The entire system is setup to screw working class folks over.
And enough of the stupid "We are a nation of immigrants."
No we aren't Karen, I was born here so f off with that bullshite rhetoric.
Posted on 1/29/26 at 8:50 am to JSmat931
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Issue is that income tax is wayyy bigger than sales tax. If you make $100k, youll pay 22% in income tax. So your Income tax bill will be $22k. If you end up spending $50k of that, well sales tax is only 8% of that $50k… or a $4k sales tax bill. So your income tax bill is over 5x what your sales tax is over a full year.
1. There is no federal sales tax. So the guy getting paid entirely in cash with no reporting is contributing $0 in federal taxes.
2. That's not how tax brackets work.
Posted on 1/29/26 at 9:06 am to JSmat931
They share ssn numbers they do pay taxes to CA if I’m not mistaken.
Posted on 1/30/26 at 1:06 am to pecxs
You and I both know illegals that are here aren’t going to go file for a TIN to pay taxes and have money come out of their paycheck. The ones who want to become legal will, but 0% who come here with no intentions of becoming legal are filing for a TIN
This post was edited on 1/30/26 at 1:07 am
Posted on 1/30/26 at 1:08 am to jrobic4
On state tax calculators I’m seeing 20k.
This post was edited on 1/30/26 at 1:21 am
Posted on 1/30/26 at 1:12 am to jrobic4
7.65% nor 13% exceeds state and federal income tax rates effective.
Posted on 1/30/26 at 1:15 am to Mr Cell Phone
You can look me in the eye, and tell me Jose who crossed Rio a few weeks ago, who goes to Home Depot daily to get paid cash by random people who need work… who can’t speak much English at all… you’re telling me that he takes the initiative and even knows what a TIN is, and then chooses to file for it when the government doesn’t even know he exists?
Wanna buy a sky ladder?
They pay sales tax, but that’s bc there’s no option in sales tax. McDonald’s charges sales tax in order as is any other sale.
Wanna buy a sky ladder?
They pay sales tax, but that’s bc there’s no option in sales tax. McDonald’s charges sales tax in order as is any other sale.
This post was edited on 1/30/26 at 1:17 am
Posted on 1/30/26 at 1:17 am to themunch
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They usually get a TIN Until they complete the immigration process in a timely manner.
The ones that want to become legal. Vast majority don’t.
Posted on 1/30/26 at 5:34 am to JSmat931
Truthfully any business that pays illegals does pay federal tax on those wages unless the business is committing fraud.
As a company I can’t hire guys off the books, pay them, and then expense it. If I spend $10K on illegals we are going to pay tax on that $10K. Our net income will be overstated.
Is it cheaper for us to take the $10K hit rather than incur cost associated with real employees? Yes, without a doubt.
The problem I have with illegals is all the free shite they get now. Healthcare, legal assistance, etc.
As a company I can’t hire guys off the books, pay them, and then expense it. If I spend $10K on illegals we are going to pay tax on that $10K. Our net income will be overstated.
Is it cheaper for us to take the $10K hit rather than incur cost associated with real employees? Yes, without a doubt.
The problem I have with illegals is all the free shite they get now. Healthcare, legal assistance, etc.
Posted on 1/30/26 at 5:59 am to JSmat931
It’s not like these folks are even paying if they did pay. They are going to get everything back as their income is very low.
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