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re: What makes AOC or Oman less American than Trump?

Posted on 4/11/19 at 7:30 am to
Posted by 93and99
Dayton , Oh / Allentown , Pa
Member since Dec 2018
14400 posts
Posted on 4/11/19 at 7:30 am to
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The true idiots are those that think are economy is working. Most people can't not afford rent, college or buy a house. How's trump economic plan helping middle America? What is different than from the Reagan or Bush years? NOTHING.




The issue is , you are a piece of shite millennial. You want things handed to you.

You aren't middle America , you are gutter trash.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
140567 posts
Posted on 4/11/19 at 7:30 am to
You are an idiot. Their skin tone is irrelevant. Their politics are the issue.

But keep screaming racism like a good NPC.

You are ridiculous as usual and a liar.
Posted by UFMatt
Gator Nation - Everywhere
Member since Oct 2010
11467 posts
Posted on 4/11/19 at 7:32 am to
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Trump doesn't hate America/Americans



BOOM! Drop the mic
Posted by funnystuff
Member since Nov 2012
8330 posts
Posted on 4/11/19 at 7:34 am to
That’s not a trump issue unfortunately. It would be great if it was, because it would mean the solution was simple and easy, which is what fools like AOC exploit for votes.

The unfortunate reality is that middle America wages have been stagnant since the 70s, across every president dem and rep alike.

Evidence: See first graph

This isn’t a trump/alternative issue or even a dem/rep issue. It’s a structural issue. And until middle America starts choosing, as individuals with full control over their own decisions, to start pursuing modern, high-tech skills that require high level degrees, we’re going to continue to see their wages stagnate.

You can drag a horse to water, but you can’t make him drink. And the reality is that the proposed handouts of the modern left are just more of the same broken policies that have enabled nearly 50 years of stagnant wages. It’s not a coincidence that wages began stagnating just as government spending on social programs started skyrocketing in the 70s
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 4/11/19 at 7:34 am to
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If you think Trump does not work with PhDs, regardless of whether you are pro trump or anti....


What's even more frightening to ME is the level of indoctrination that says that "people with PhD's" have all the answers.....

We need more people with REAL WORLD experience to be working along side the "elites" making decisions that affect the country.

While I DESPISE her and think she's an idiot, the CONCEPT of a bartender becoming a Congressman is actually very appealing, but in the case of AOC, well....
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
52808 posts
Posted on 4/11/19 at 7:34 am to
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I dont see Trump standing up to the Big Banks which caused the financial crisis in 2008


Big banks didn't cause the financial crisis in 2008. Government did. You really need to do your research. Mandatory lending to those who could not afford it, caused by the government, led to the housing collapse.

LINK

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The feds left the housing market pretty much alone until 1992, when Congress thought it would be politically advantageous to posture as champions of “affordable housing.” The politicians decreed that the two mortgage giants it had created, the Federal National Mortgage Association (“Fannie Mae”) and the Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation (“Freddie Mac”) would have to meet quotas for mortgages from lower-income people. Creatures of politics, the two government-sponsored enterprises had no choice but to comply.

Initially, 30 percent of the mortgages Fannie and Freddie purchased had to be lower income mortgages but as the housing mania kept growing, the quota was raised repeatedly, reaching 56 percent in 2008.

None of that had anything to do with Wall Street or capitalist greed. It was a case of politics overriding the free market to help politicians win re-election.

Of course, most of those mortgages written and purchased to meet arbitrary quotas were high risk ones that would never have been made by capitalists who have to balance the possibility of profit against the risk of loss. The resulting gusher of bad mortgages was not due to any inherent instability in the natural workings of the market. It was due to instability caused by meddling politicians who stood to lose nothing if their decisions turned out badly.

Because Fannie and Freddie were regarded as having the government’s backing, financial institutions that would otherwise have carefully looked into the riskiness of the paper they were buying from them were lulled to sleep. Why worry about Fannie or Freddie paper when it has the U.S. Treasury behind it? Bad investments spread through the financial system like a metastasizing cancer.

Then, in 2007, the house of cards fell. Home prices that had been bid up too high began collapsing. The bubble popped, taking down huge numbers of jobs in the housing industry, erasing billions in paper wealth, and costing many individuals homes that they should never have borrowed to purchase.

Have we learned a lesson?

Obviously not, because the response from Congress was to pass a new law (Dodd-Frank) that was supposed to deal with the problems caused by the previous laws.

Dodd-Frank imposes huge new regulatory costs, while sending this message to the financial industry: don’t take risks. Banks have had to substitute compliance officers for lending officers. As a result of this counter-productive mountain of a law (over 360,000 words), there is today much less investment capital available for entrepreneurial activities and small business growth, both of which are crucial to our economic vitality. Dodd-Frank is a considerable part of the federal drag that has kept the economy’s recovery from the bubble so sluggish.


What's the solution to a crisis caused by government? More government.

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Trump also called a national emergency without consulting the house or Senate.


And, he has every authority to do so.

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He also wants to due away with judges for asylum seekers.


What, idiot?

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How is this man of all people the man upholding our constitution?


Because he's shrinking government, and bringing about an economic renaissance the likes of which this country has never seen, while simultaneously exposing the decades of corruption within our government.

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Oman points out we influenced Israel's election and she's called a bigot.


She's called a bigot because she's an anti-semite. Her remarks are all over the internet.

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AOC has a vision for a green deal to fight pollution and is called a whack job.


She wants to do away with the combustion engine, and cows. You think she's smart?

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Trump does not speak for middle America.




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You are not rich like his friends


What does that have to do with anything? The American dream is to be able to succeed in life, and having the freedom to choose your own destiny. If you don't screw up, you are a success. We are the rare country that everyone can succeed here. Don't have kids out of wedlock. Don't lie, cheat, steal. Be a good, honest person. Work hard. Get an education. If you do those things, you will live a good life. You will succeed.

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and if you do you're living a privileged life.


My only privilege in life was growing up with parents that cared about me and my education. Money did not factor into that. I am successful today because of those values.

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Congrats for burying your head into the sand as the GOP offers no new solutions.



I don't need solutions from politicians. I need government to get out of my life. For that, i vote GOP, though i don't agree with what they say all the time.

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We deserve Trump as president because we're too dumb to be like Canada or Finland.


You mean 2 countries whose economy doesn't touch our own, whose government controls their lives, whose healthcare costs are spiraling out of control? Did you know Canada awarded a multi-million dollar settlement to an admitted ISIS terrorist who killed several Canadian soldiers because of their PC attitudes?

Thank God we are not like any other country in the world. We are the best because of our freedom and the people (not like you) who simply want to do their jobs and enjoy their lives rather than (like you) sit on their arse and be jealous of those who have achieved more than them.

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The American Dream died along time ago.


Yet here i sit.

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Let AOC and Oman be our revolution.


They'll be lucky to win re-election.
This post was edited on 4/11/19 at 7:46 am
Posted by TheHarahanian
Actually not Harahan as of 6/2023
Member since May 2017
19540 posts
Posted on 4/11/19 at 7:34 am to
I'm not aware that the argument is that either of them is less American than anybody else.

-However-

If you want to live in a socialist nation, there are many of those around the world to choose from, and you can try to emigrate to one of those. Please don't try to turn this country into another.

If you want to live in a country that has sharia law, same thing. Try to move to one of those, but we don't want it here.

"But I love this country!" you say. Well then leave it alone. If you change it you might not love it so much.
This post was edited on 4/11/19 at 7:36 am
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
42644 posts
Posted on 4/11/19 at 7:35 am to
This must be one of those touchstones whereby everyone gets to identify stupid for what it is - Therefore I want to add my reply or else be considered to not grasp the stupidity of this post. Otherwise, I'd just snicker and move on.

BUT i must register my acknowledgement of this as the dumbest shite I've seen posted all week.
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
21898 posts
Posted on 4/11/19 at 7:36 am to
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Their skin tone is irrelevant. Their politics are the issue.


Not a lot of you claiming Swallwell hates America, or Steny Hoyer, or Collin Peterson.

Just the minority women.
Posted by tigeraddict
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
11815 posts
Posted on 4/11/19 at 7:36 am to
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Trump standing up to the Big Banks which caused the financial crisis in 2008


the crash of 2008 had its roots back to the mid 90s. When govenrment told the big bans they needed to lend to people even if they couldnt afford and should be trying to buy a house. there were tons of 100% financing options, so potential home buyers not no skin in the game and could even save to put 3% down. so a lot of people who should be in a house or were looking at a house that was too much for them (but told they qualified to borrow that much) looked at ways to lower the monthly payment.... enter variable rate mortgages and sub prime lending

the influx of new home buyers forced prices to rise, and exploded new home construction. people were not concerned with an exploding rate 5 years down the road, becasue their house would be worth more and they could sell or refi. fast forward to 2008, and the house of card crashed. banks were hiding high foreclosure rates, high numbers of slow/late payments in mortgage backed securities. eventually the chickens come home to roost, and that was the crash.


moral of the story, yet again, government intervention, casued the delayed crash.....
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
52808 posts
Posted on 4/11/19 at 7:36 am to
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The financial crisis was primarily caused by deregulation in the financial industry.


Who deregulated that industry?

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That permitted banks to engage in hedge fund trading with derivatives. Banks then demanded more mortgages to support the profitable sale of these derivatives. ... That created the financial crisis that led to the Great Recession.


I guess you never heard of fannie mae/freddie mac, or Dodd Frank?
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
140567 posts
Posted on 4/11/19 at 7:37 am to
Swallowswell isn't being pushed to the top of your trash heap, goober.
Posted by DarthRebel
Tier Five is Alive
Member since Feb 2013
21262 posts
Posted on 4/11/19 at 7:38 am to
Is Wazoo having its Spartucus moment
Posted by DemonKA3268
Parts Unknown
Member since Oct 2015
19197 posts
Posted on 4/11/19 at 7:40 am to
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Swallowswell isn't being pushed to the top of your trash heap, goober.
Why do you even entertain her drivel? She knows nothing and comes on here just to demonstrate her stupidity. I think we should ignore anything she says, she's ridiculously delusional.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
52808 posts
Posted on 4/11/19 at 7:41 am to
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The true idiots are those that think are economy is working.


So every economist, wall street, small business owners, blue collar workers, etc....?

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Most people can't not afford rent, college or buy a house.


Well, you're retarded. I suppose you don't have figures for "most people"? And, i'm guess you are as stupid as Auntie Maxine who doesn't even know that the government took over the student loan industry in 2009/2010, which ironically, is failing just like the mortgage industry did in 2008. I wonder what the problem is?

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How's trump economic plan helping middle America?


Literally, the lowest unemployment #'s in 50 years, rising wage rates, largest stock market gains, all while having the Fed inflate interest rates for no reason. Imagine if the fed was actually doing their job.

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What is different than from the Reagan or Bush years? NOTHING.


You are too stupid for words.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
48443 posts
Posted on 4/11/19 at 7:44 am to
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Not a lot of you claiming Swallwell hates America, or Steny Hoyer, or Collin Peterson. Just the minority wome


This thread was started by one of your dim-witted dem brothers, moron. Start one about Swallwell and see what happens, you racist piece of trash.
Posted by DemonKA3268
Parts Unknown
Member since Oct 2015
19197 posts
Posted on 4/11/19 at 7:45 am to
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You are too stupid for words.
Aren't they all? I can't imagine what his parents think about him. Maybe he was the daughter they always wanted

Posted by funnystuff
Member since Nov 2012
8330 posts
Posted on 4/11/19 at 7:45 am to
That’s all fine and we’ll, and I absolutely agree that politics should be a service position for individuals of a huge range of economic and professional backgrounds. My point was simply meant to be that, when it comes to those politicians staffing their advisor structure, having atnleast some sunset of PhDs on board is an essential decision for any successful politicians. Which is precisely why every political organization has them.

I agree that PhDs do not have all the answers, not even close to it. No one does. But when it comes to setting economic policy, I sure as shite want someone in the room who can estimate the impact of a tax cut through a dynamic stochastic general equilibrium model. So while we absolutely can’t embrace some misguided notion that a PhD fill fix all that ails the world, let’s also not slip towards the fundamently incorrect assertion that they are all useless. Both are wrong, and both are dangerous
Posted by DemonKA3268
Parts Unknown
Member since Oct 2015
19197 posts
Posted on 4/11/19 at 7:46 am to
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This thread was started by one of your dim-witted dem brothers, moron. Start one about Swallwell and see what happens, you racist piece of trash.
She won't, too scared to do that. Plus, it would be another incoherent failure.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
52808 posts
Posted on 4/11/19 at 7:48 am to
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Not a lot of you claiming Swallwell hates America, or Steny Hoyer, or Collin Peterson.


Why don't we compare press coverage of Oman/AOC vs. those whiteys?

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Just the minority women.


What's it like to fail every day of your life?
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