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Posted on 3/29/26 at 9:50 am to SlowFlowPro
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SlowFlowPro
fricking lawyers reduce everything to rhetorical exercises.
If we had the same number of them proportionally as, I don't know, almost anywhere else in the world, we would have more rights than we would know what to do with.
Wherever they come from, lawyers have jack shite to do with defining them.
Posted on 3/29/26 at 9:52 am to RohanGonzales
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fricking lawyers reduce everything to rhetorical exercises.
You say this in a thread titled
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What is the source of our rights?
How do you think this sort of esoteric and philosophical discussion should go, instead? Have you read much political philosophy?
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Wherever they come from, lawyers have jack shite to do with defining them.
This discussion has nothing to do with law or legalistic rhetoric and is based in political-philosophical rhetoric.
You'd know that if you had even the most minimal education on the topic.
Posted on 3/29/26 at 9:53 am to uziyourillusion
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What good is a “god given right” if man can take it away so easily?
Top retard question.
Posted on 3/29/26 at 9:54 am to RohanGonzales
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fricking lawyers reduce everything to rhetorical exercises.
There’s nothing wrong with good faith rhetorical exercises. SFP gets off on taking contrary positions. So just ignore him.
Posted on 3/29/26 at 9:56 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:I don't know what was meant by posters on this board, but I know what the founders meant, and it's what I put in my post.
That attempt at clarification creates quite the pivot, and I'm not sure that's what was being specifically referenced.
Posted on 3/29/26 at 9:56 am to the808bass
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SFP gets off on taking contrary positions
With discussions that warrant them, especially if they come from a position of ignorance via popularity/repetition.
Posted on 3/29/26 at 9:57 am to Mike da Tigah
What is the source of our rights? (OP)
Your gun. Or the gun of whomever/whatever group attempts to determine and enforce said 'Rights'.
Per our quickly fading Constitutional Republic, God. Of the which the Marxist Dem Party now desires to overrule via voting/muh Democracy. "Mob rule" and "two wolves and a sheep voting on what is for dinner".
It is funny were it not so dangerously serious and potentially painful as per the historical record.
Your gun. Or the gun of whomever/whatever group attempts to determine and enforce said 'Rights'.
Per our quickly fading Constitutional Republic, God. Of the which the Marxist Dem Party now desires to overrule via voting/muh Democracy. "Mob rule" and "two wolves and a sheep voting on what is for dinner".
It is funny were it not so dangerously serious and potentially painful as per the historical record.
Posted on 3/29/26 at 9:57 am to SlowFlowPro
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Does he want to talk about rights or power/control?
Those are the same things. If I have a right to liberty then they can't control my liberty. If I don't have a right to liberty then they can control my liberty.
Posted on 3/29/26 at 9:59 am to Penrod
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If I have a right to liberty then they can't control my liberty.
But they do, every day, even in free countries like the US.
Posted on 3/29/26 at 10:01 am to Mike da Tigah
The Constitution guarentees or protects our rights rather than “grants” them. Meaning the government doesn’t interfere with those rights… eg, speech, freedom from unwarranted search and seizure, the practice (or not )of one’s religion, etc.
Posted on 3/29/26 at 10:02 am to SlowFlowPro
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But they do, every day, even in free countries like the US.
You are being tedious. I'm not going to waste my time educating you on a polity voluntarily ceding rights democratically, especially since you already know it.
This post was edited on 3/29/26 at 10:03 am
Posted on 3/29/26 at 10:03 am to SlowFlowPro
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But they do, every day, even in free countries like the US.
Someone murdered someone last night in St. Louis. I guess we don’t have a right to life.
fricking retard.
Posted on 3/29/26 at 10:16 am to the808bass
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re: What is the source of our rights?
The source of our rights is the pertinent question. If our rights come from God we retain them no matter external forces saying otherwise.
Posted on 3/29/26 at 10:17 am to the808bass
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Someone murdered someone last night in St. Louis. I guess we don’t have a right to life.
Many founders who wrote about the right to life owned slaves.
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There are better questions
What is a right?
Who/what defines what a right is?
What is the comprehensive list of rights?
What erodes those concepts we reference as "rights"?
You're being dismissive of a discussion of what a right is, while giving an example that attacks the concept of rights.
John Locke can write about "life, liberty, and property" all he wants but it loses meaning when he profits off slavery and doesn't believe in extending equal rights to women. Cleary he did not believe in a universal concept of rights, even from the basic state-individual relationship.
Posted on 3/29/26 at 10:19 am to Mike da Tigah
2 topics I use to judge people when it comes to politics.
What is a 'right'.
Can you name your 2 US senators.
What is a 'right'.
Can you name your 2 US senators.
Posted on 3/29/26 at 10:19 am to Mike da Tigah
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What is the source of our rights?
Force.
If you can't enforce your rights, and someone wants to take them away, then you lose those rights.
No piece of paper, god, ethics book, feeling, etc is going to step in and prevent whatever right you believe you have from being taken away.
This is how its been for all of human history and how it will be in the future.
Posted on 3/29/26 at 10:21 am to Mike da Tigah
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Man controls you only when you surrender your control over to him.
You don't have to surrender.
Just look at the thugs who keep fighting the arrest post handcuffs. Once youre overpowered it doesn't matter if you accept the situation or not.
Posted on 3/29/26 at 10:23 am to sabanisarustedspoke
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Man can't take away god given rights. Let's say YOU are the man that makes my rights, I kill you and your entire bloodline to insure I don't need your permission for anything now or in the future. See how that works?
So you have to use force to defend a "God given right"? Seems like that right comes from your ability to defend it, not God.
Posted on 3/29/26 at 10:24 am to Mike da Tigah
Your rights are inherently yours IF you can defend them.
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