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re: What is the rationale for not wanting the files released?
Posted on 11/13/25 at 11:44 am to G2160
Posted on 11/13/25 at 11:44 am to G2160
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he files like Epstein emails which aren’t necessarily factually accurate (by intention or not), will be manipulated to fabricate misleading and untrue narratives.
Trump could've been the one to cuff Epstein at Teterboro himself, and he'd be mentioned multiple times in the FBI files from that 2019 arrest.
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Posted on 11/13/25 at 11:44 am to DavidTheGnome
OP are you stupid? If there are big names in it on both sides then that is all the reason you need. How does this not even occur to you? The elite run this world and they don't want it released.
Posted on 11/13/25 at 11:44 am to DavidTheGnome
Probably because both sides would do what the Democrats did yesterday.
Take little tid bits of nonsense and smear them all over social media
Take little tid bits of nonsense and smear them all over social media
Posted on 11/13/25 at 11:45 am to ronricks
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So far, both a Democrat and Republican Admin have refused.
Nope. There was a vote yesterday to do just that. House Dems voted no.
Posted on 11/13/25 at 11:45 am to DavidTheGnome
It’s just a talking point for midterms. If Trump was guilty we would already know. After midterms they will turn their hatred and venom on JD. He will be a misogynist and a closet homosexual. Without any sense of irony, he will be labeled both a Nazi and a Jew lover.
Posted on 11/13/25 at 11:46 am to TooFyeToFly
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Because Trump is in the Epstein files. Y'all are overthinking this.
If it is that simple then why hasn't it been used against him in the last 10 years?
Posted on 11/13/25 at 11:47 am to TooFyeToFly
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Because Trump is in the Epstein files. Y'all are overthinking this.
Yep. Flew with his wife and infant from Palm Beach to NYC. This is well known. Equally well known is the multitude of people including a former AG and a victim of Epstein stating Trump was never part of the nefarious side of the Epstein files. In fact, the victims attorney stated Trump was the ONLY person willing to help.
Stop being an uninformed ignorant idiot.
Posted on 11/13/25 at 11:47 am to DavidTheGnome
By the way, what is in the "files" is not what you want. It's not a categorical list of all of the right wing celebrities and politicians with the crimes committed next to them. The fact that things aren't being released now are several factors.
1) Time - Patel has been the director of the FBI now for 6 months. How long do you think it takes to gather information, chase down leads, interview witnesses, take statements, do more investigation, bring the investigation before the AG. AG determines if/what crimes are committed. Does the victims choose to prosecute or not, etc... On top of everything else the FBI has been working to un-frick from the previous administrations. Not to mention subversion from the old guard at the FBI, disseminating information/messages, etc... You think all that happens 3-4 months?
2) Mossad - Epstein is clearly working with Israeli intelligence. To what capacity, we don't know, but Eric Weinstein talked with Epstein years ago, and his first inclination upon talking to him, is that this guy has to be some sort of cover/intelligence agent. He was supposed to be this brilliant math genius, but couldn't stand up to Weinstein's scrutiny. His role was to facilitate a "good time" within the tech/political/nerd power world. That facilitation led to secrets being told, and compromising photos/videos being taken. Yes, some US pols and celebrities are likely on there, but i think the end goal was much bigger than blackmail of some rep/senator/silicon valley techy.
3) The ONLY reason you are asking this question now, despite having 4 years to pound your keyboard angrily during the BIden admin, is becuase you suffer from TDS. The left stated, "Trump's on the list" and you are more than willing to accept that A) that it's true and b) if he's on a list, it MUST mean he was sexually assaulting minors. Secondly, you won't let this story subside at all because it's the only ammo you have against Trump, regardless if it's bullshite or not.
If you truly did care about the legalities of what was going on you'd have 2 choices. a) let the FBI do their job and B) you would have been this worked up the last 4 years over this, which you certainly were not. Therefore, you are disingenuous and simply feeding the trolls.
Jeffrey Epstein Was an Intelligence Asset—Eric Weinstein
1) Time - Patel has been the director of the FBI now for 6 months. How long do you think it takes to gather information, chase down leads, interview witnesses, take statements, do more investigation, bring the investigation before the AG. AG determines if/what crimes are committed. Does the victims choose to prosecute or not, etc... On top of everything else the FBI has been working to un-frick from the previous administrations. Not to mention subversion from the old guard at the FBI, disseminating information/messages, etc... You think all that happens 3-4 months?
2) Mossad - Epstein is clearly working with Israeli intelligence. To what capacity, we don't know, but Eric Weinstein talked with Epstein years ago, and his first inclination upon talking to him, is that this guy has to be some sort of cover/intelligence agent. He was supposed to be this brilliant math genius, but couldn't stand up to Weinstein's scrutiny. His role was to facilitate a "good time" within the tech/political/nerd power world. That facilitation led to secrets being told, and compromising photos/videos being taken. Yes, some US pols and celebrities are likely on there, but i think the end goal was much bigger than blackmail of some rep/senator/silicon valley techy.
3) The ONLY reason you are asking this question now, despite having 4 years to pound your keyboard angrily during the BIden admin, is becuase you suffer from TDS. The left stated, "Trump's on the list" and you are more than willing to accept that A) that it's true and b) if he's on a list, it MUST mean he was sexually assaulting minors. Secondly, you won't let this story subside at all because it's the only ammo you have against Trump, regardless if it's bullshite or not.
If you truly did care about the legalities of what was going on you'd have 2 choices. a) let the FBI do their job and B) you would have been this worked up the last 4 years over this, which you certainly were not. Therefore, you are disingenuous and simply feeding the trolls.
Jeffrey Epstein Was an Intelligence Asset—Eric Weinstein
This post was edited on 11/13/25 at 11:50 am
Posted on 11/13/25 at 11:49 am to DavidTheGnome
There is none, unless youre covering for someone.
Posted on 11/13/25 at 11:51 am to BBONDS25
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Nope. There was a vote yesterday to do just that. House Dems voted no.
It's all performative politics right now. Congress can't vote to release files from an ongoing criminal investigation that hasn't been prosecuted yet. That's illegal.
Posted on 11/13/25 at 11:51 am to DavidTheGnome
To use the fact as leverage against people.
Posted on 11/13/25 at 11:52 am to DavidTheGnome
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There may be a completely benign reason and I just haven’t heard it
I think the most benign reason is that Epstein and Maxwell are the only two people who actually broke any laws but there are a number of people who were friends with them and even potentially doing some (legal) things they would hate for the world to find out about.
The people who want the files released are 100% certain of a conspiracy or are 100% certain that Epstein wasn't the only person sleeping with underage girls.
But it's possible that Trump has read the files, sees no evidence of anything beyond Epstein and Maxwell breaking laws, and doesn't want to release a bunch of stories of Bill Gates and Bill Clinton cheating, only for the people who believe in conspiracies to then dismiss the files as being doctored in some way.
Why release the files if it won't put out any fires and will only fan the flames? The conspiracy theorists will never be satisfied, so why not try to move on?
Posted on 11/13/25 at 11:52 am to DavidTheGnome
the only reason i can think of is too many powerful people are involved...not just in our gov but other countries as well.
Posted on 11/13/25 at 11:53 am to ronricks
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Release it all while masking the victims and let the chips fall where they may
All? Even information that leads to an arrest? Even information that could lead to a conviction? You want that all released to the public prior to a court case?
If you answer yes, then you really don't care about people suffering the consequences of their actions, because doing so would clearly get any criminal off from the crime, but you merely want to satiate your own curiosity and victims and perps be damned.
Posted on 11/13/25 at 11:53 am to RogerTheShrubber
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There is none, unless youre covering for someone.
Because that is the ONLY answer, right? No other possibility???
Posted on 11/13/25 at 11:54 am to BBONDS25
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Nope.
Yes. Both Trump and Biden Administrations have refused. President doesn't need a 'vote' to release the 'files'. Furthermore, the Epstein Files and Grand Jury testimony are two totally separate things. The GJ testimony is never going to be released and Trump knows that. He's trying to pull a bait and switch on this pretending he wants the GJ Testimony released yet he knows that will never happen for legal reasons. There are no legal reasons keeping the 'files' from being released.
Posted on 11/13/25 at 11:55 am to BBONDS25
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Your people c voted against a complete release just yesterday. Trump didn’t oppose it. House Dems did.
"Your people" You mean Republicans like Steve Womack?
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Womack replied: “Under guidelines consistently issued by successive Speakers, as recorded in section 956 of the House Rules and Manual, the Chair is constrained not to entertain the request unless it has been cleared by the bipartisan floor and committee leadership.”
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“not a proper parliamentary inquiry to ask the chair to indicate which side of the aisle has failed under the Speaker’s guidelines to clear a unanimous-consent request.”
Posted on 11/13/25 at 11:55 am to ronricks
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There are no legal reasons keeping the 'files' from being released.
Evidence is a pretty big reason. Are you a criminal attorney?
Posted on 11/13/25 at 11:56 am to VoxDawg
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What is the rationale for not wanting the files released?
Because a bunch of rich people and nation states already paid a ton of money to both sides to not be further implicated in their crimes against humanity.
Money done been paid and spent. Now they soft pedaling reneging on their agreement and scrambling to find some way to blame someone else.
(and that someone else is Trump)
(as usual)
Posted on 11/13/25 at 11:56 am to BugAC
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It's all performative politics right now. Congress can't vote to release files from an ongoing criminal investigation that hasn't been prosecuted yet. That's illegal.
Those would be the Grand Jury files NOT the Epstein Files. Two totally separate things. You realize that don't you? Looks like you've been duped.
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