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Posted on 12/18/24 at 9:29 am to sidewalkside
People on this board don’t understand American interests and don’t understand that we wouldn’t be as wealthy and powerful as we are, unless we are in control of the world. People don’t realize what they’re asking for when they say America needs to stay in its own lane.
Posted on 12/18/24 at 9:31 am to sidewalkside
The quick answer is self-defense to an existential threat. That is always justified.
But, there is a line of thought that if your nation stops expanding in an empire -like fashion, it will begin to contract and die, which is also an existential threat.
But, there is a line of thought that if your nation stops expanding in an empire -like fashion, it will begin to contract and die, which is also an existential threat.
Posted on 12/18/24 at 9:31 am to sidewalkside
Entry into a war should always be subject to strict congressional approval. This new world order, covert military strategery can justify a "conflict" anywhere at any time and make it seem like a minor operation until the deal goes sour. Then the caskets start rolling in.
Even with congressional approval, I'm not sure much would change. There's too much money in war. My state is rolling in missile money and we're not alone. For all the MAGA bullshite our Senators and reps like to pump, the second their "defense" money gets threatened, they'll lose the red caps in a hurry. I have been encouraged by the general anti-war tone of those around Trump right now. I hope it holds.
Even with congressional approval, I'm not sure much would change. There's too much money in war. My state is rolling in missile money and we're not alone. For all the MAGA bullshite our Senators and reps like to pump, the second their "defense" money gets threatened, they'll lose the red caps in a hurry. I have been encouraged by the general anti-war tone of those around Trump right now. I hope it holds.
Posted on 12/18/24 at 9:37 am to sidewalkside
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So we should never have and or support an ally? Is there no other country in the world that we should defend if they are attacked?
We don't really have allies now. Our allies are the frat brother who sleeps on the couch, eats all the food, drinks all the beer, and never pays a bill.
Posted on 12/18/24 at 9:41 am to sidewalkside
When. We. Are. Attacked.
We provide for national DEFENSE. Not national offense. Not other people’s defense. Not policing democracy around the world. Our own national defense.
Go fricking scorched earth if someone attacks US. Otherwise. No war.
We provide for national DEFENSE. Not national offense. Not other people’s defense. Not policing democracy around the world. Our own national defense.
Go fricking scorched earth if someone attacks US. Otherwise. No war.
Posted on 12/18/24 at 9:45 am to sidewalkside
all fighting is for nothing but money. until you fully grasp that, you are delusional and living a lie. how obvious does it have to be for you people to stop being blind
Posted on 12/18/24 at 9:46 am to sidewalkside
Enter/engage when we are under attack or imminent attack.
Support our allies (but do not engage our troops) when they are under attack or imminent attack.
Support our allies (but do not engage our troops) when they are under attack or imminent attack.
Posted on 12/18/24 at 9:47 am to LSUnKaty
This is pretty messed up.
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Posted on 12/18/24 at 9:48 am to wackatimesthree
quote:Like Congress?
When Trump says we should instead of someone else saying it.
Posted on 12/18/24 at 9:55 am to sidewalkside
We shouldn't have fought in any war we've participated in these last 115 years
Posted on 12/18/24 at 9:56 am to sidewalkside
It is our war to fight when it is on our soil or when our national security is threatened.
Posted on 12/18/24 at 10:09 am to sidewalkside
When the Russians get to Germany we will probably have to start bailing out Europe, again.
Posted on 12/18/24 at 10:17 am to sidewalkside
When we are attacked or when a vital or critical threat to our country exists. Those are the only two cases we should ever go to war over. The definition of what constitutes a vital or critical American interest has been very watered down in my opinion.
Posted on 12/18/24 at 10:23 am to BlueFalcon
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How many American Servicemen are you willing to sacrifice in whatever war you're talking about?
Those Service Members volunteered of their own free will. No one held a gun to their head. The Military isn't a jobs program, it's a covenant of risk and reward. You go when youre told to go, and you keep your mouth shut.
This post was edited on 12/18/24 at 10:25 am
Posted on 12/18/24 at 10:25 am to sidewalkside
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Does it have to be on US soil for the Poli Board to think we should engage?
Yes.
Posted on 12/18/24 at 10:26 am to sidewalkside
We should enter wars when the situation is too big to be handled by Team America World Police.
Posted on 12/18/24 at 10:31 am to sidewalkside
1) If the territory or military of the US is attacked.
2) If one of our formal allies --> allies by treaty is attacked, if the treaty calls for mutual defense.
3) To defend our borders against unchecked immigration. The idea that we can't deploy our insanely expensive military to defend our own border is nonsense.
That's it. That's the list.
There's more flexibility about sending military aid, but even there we should be careful.
2) If one of our formal allies --> allies by treaty is attacked, if the treaty calls for mutual defense.
3) To defend our borders against unchecked immigration. The idea that we can't deploy our insanely expensive military to defend our own border is nonsense.
That's it. That's the list.
There's more flexibility about sending military aid, but even there we should be careful.
This post was edited on 12/18/24 at 10:32 am
Posted on 12/18/24 at 10:47 am to EZE Tiger Fan
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IF someone attacks us on our soil, destroy. Outside of that, stay out of other people's shite.
So if China completely invades Mexico or Canada just sit on our hands? Where do you people come from?
Posted on 12/18/24 at 10:57 am to sidewalkside
The US has two distinct natural blessings:
a. We have a wider array of natural resources than any other country. If every country was forced into isolationism we would fare the best.
b. We are almost impossible to invade. Two giant oceans and two bordering countries we could defeat in a week if they got nasty.
That does not make us the policemen of the world. After Vietnam and the Middle East we need to stop trying.
a. We have a wider array of natural resources than any other country. If every country was forced into isolationism we would fare the best.
b. We are almost impossible to invade. Two giant oceans and two bordering countries we could defeat in a week if they got nasty.
That does not make us the policemen of the world. After Vietnam and the Middle East we need to stop trying.
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