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re: What is the difference between Democrat Socialism, Socialism and Communism?
Posted on 7/4/18 at 3:32 am to volod
Posted on 7/4/18 at 3:32 am to volod
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And why would Dems intentionally sabotage the lending system.
To score political points on the home ownership rate in the country.
Social justice. Poor people should be sold homes. Even though they can't afford them.
Posted on 7/4/18 at 3:53 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Nope.
Both have market economies and private ownership of industry.
My bad, I was confusing Democratic Socialism with Social Democracy. Social Democracy is what Denmark and Norway have and is what a fair portion of liberals want to try. While Social Democracy is untested in a country this large and leaves me skeptical, it is far less insane than actual socialism.
Democratic Socialism is simply socialism that wants to implement socialism through elections rather than violent revolution. Its socialism that "in theory" is not for authoritarianism. Its extremely dumb
Posted on 7/4/18 at 4:32 am to GumboPot
Democrat Socialism is the lubricant or sales pitch of communism. The entry point if you will. But once the idea of freebies begins there is no turning back. The people pressing for that look around and want stuff others have without working or having to inherit.
Millenials, immigrants, particularly Hispanic immigrants and those who feel put upon or cheated look to game the system and grab the dream. "Big Rock Candy Mountain" if you will. However, lets be honest here. A serious reduction in overall production means far less to divide so naturally at some point it requires more and more authoritarian and or force and population "reduction" one way or another. And a serious reduction is coming when you remove the incentive plus opportunity that capitalism offers. That's when you forcibly remove people from cities to rural areas to cut cane, pick cotton, etc. With a false promise of you're going to get your small plot at some point. "40 aces and a mule" if you will. And that also begins the cut in population that is required.
In our case, as in Mexico, Venezuela and Cuba it is basically a power grab by con artists who sell the ignorant on the idea of utopia without work or minimum work and equal outcomes. Everybody is a star. Everybody is born 6 ft tall and bullet proof.
When confronted by where's the money to do all this, a man I am very close too, an anti-capitalist socialist (he can't accept the word communist and aside from that wants to keep his stuff) simply says: "Oh there is plenty of money in America, the government just needs a means of accessing it". He has a 7' wall around his 100 acres and keeps two military dogs to keep anyone off his place. And doesn't see where any of this would affect him, an enemy of the state if one ever breathed.
One other thing: we are a multi-racial society with minorities gaining in numbers by the day. And the left, the pushers of socialism, selling the idea that white people are the problem. Can you see where this is going? The oppressors become the oppressed then when that doesn't work, the eliminated. Our situation will blow before that into some sort of civil conflict. Meantime we immigrate an end to our great experiment in freedom and opportunity. Damn the slave importers and damn the Dems with their immigrating votes. We should have controlled immigration by bringing in all races based upon skills only. But all democracies eventually fail.
Millenials, immigrants, particularly Hispanic immigrants and those who feel put upon or cheated look to game the system and grab the dream. "Big Rock Candy Mountain" if you will. However, lets be honest here. A serious reduction in overall production means far less to divide so naturally at some point it requires more and more authoritarian and or force and population "reduction" one way or another. And a serious reduction is coming when you remove the incentive plus opportunity that capitalism offers. That's when you forcibly remove people from cities to rural areas to cut cane, pick cotton, etc. With a false promise of you're going to get your small plot at some point. "40 aces and a mule" if you will. And that also begins the cut in population that is required.
In our case, as in Mexico, Venezuela and Cuba it is basically a power grab by con artists who sell the ignorant on the idea of utopia without work or minimum work and equal outcomes. Everybody is a star. Everybody is born 6 ft tall and bullet proof.
When confronted by where's the money to do all this, a man I am very close too, an anti-capitalist socialist (he can't accept the word communist and aside from that wants to keep his stuff) simply says: "Oh there is plenty of money in America, the government just needs a means of accessing it". He has a 7' wall around his 100 acres and keeps two military dogs to keep anyone off his place. And doesn't see where any of this would affect him, an enemy of the state if one ever breathed.
One other thing: we are a multi-racial society with minorities gaining in numbers by the day. And the left, the pushers of socialism, selling the idea that white people are the problem. Can you see where this is going? The oppressors become the oppressed then when that doesn't work, the eliminated. Our situation will blow before that into some sort of civil conflict. Meantime we immigrate an end to our great experiment in freedom and opportunity. Damn the slave importers and damn the Dems with their immigrating votes. We should have controlled immigration by bringing in all races based upon skills only. But all democracies eventually fail.
This post was edited on 7/4/18 at 5:13 am
Posted on 7/4/18 at 5:17 am to GumboPot
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What is the difference between Democrat Socialism, Socialism and Communism?
Democrat socialism. No such thing.
Socialism. There are two groups. The large group is controlled by the smaller more powerful one who dictate everything to them and arose to power under the guise of leaders in communism.
Communism. Utopic idea where equal for all. Needs based. Never works. The leaders of the movement end up consolidating power. They setup to make sure they and their closest allies are entrenched. Socialism ensues. The leaders become the ruling class and lead by the "do as I say not as I do" motif.
Posted on 7/4/18 at 5:38 am to Schmelly
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2 are real things, 1 is a made up word that makes no sense but it has a better ring to it than Freeshitism
Posted on 7/4/18 at 5:40 am to GumboPot
What is difference between morbidly obese and grotesquely fat or massively overweight?
Posted on 7/4/18 at 7:50 am to GumboPot
"The goal of socialism is communism"
Vladimir Lenin
Vladimir Lenin
Posted on 7/4/18 at 7:55 am to GumboPot
Democratic socialism - Not a real thing. Political ignoramuses use this term to describe capitalist countries with large social safety nets.
Socialism - Government controls the means of production and distribution o in behalf of the population.
Communism - has never existed. Anarchic state where the population jointly controls the means of production and distribution.
Socialism - Government controls the means of production and distribution o in behalf of the population.
Communism - has never existed. Anarchic state where the population jointly controls the means of production and distribution.
Posted on 7/4/18 at 8:17 am to Antonio Moss
Democratic Socialism produces Priuses.
Socialism produces Volvos.
Communism produces bicycles.
Socialism produces Volvos.
Communism produces bicycles.
Posted on 7/4/18 at 8:58 am to VolsOut4Harambe
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They all have one thing in common. None of them work.
Very close. Ayn Rand said 'They are all forms of totalitarianism.'
Posted on 7/4/18 at 9:05 am to AUstar
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Just as "white nationalist" is a polite way of saying Nazi.
I was with you until this.
Posted on 7/4/18 at 9:08 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Nope.
Both have market economies and private ownership of industry.
Which would be a version of Democratic Socialism, no?
Posted on 7/4/18 at 9:08 am to GumboPot
"the goal of socialism is communism." - V. Lenin.
Posted on 7/4/18 at 9:10 am to Meauxjeaux
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However, if we get to the situation like financial crisis in 2008, big corporations can sink the whole country with them! Pure capitalism would say that government should not bailout those banks. We should let capitalism do its job and clean the system. The problem is that it would have been and extremely painful process for millions of innocent people, who have nothing to do with those bad decisions.
This could not possibly be more wrong.
2008 financial crisis was caused when central planners (USA gov) dictated to banks to get be loans to people who could not ever afford to repay them (not capitalism).
Millions of people were NOT INNOCENT VICTIMS. They thought they were getting free/cheap money in cash out mortgage refinances that they would not sweat having to repay.
GREED, as much by the little people as the big bad bankers, was the root cause of the 2008 financial crisis.
Thank you for correcting that post.
Posted on 7/4/18 at 9:16 am to Eli Goldfinger
Democratic Socialism is not Leninism or Marxism-Leninism. Lenin had his own theories and methods in regards to Marxist Socialism. Because he won the Russian Revolution a lot of Marxist Socialists took his theories and methods Leninism and was successful in revolutions in China, Cuba and so on.
Socialism predates Marxism and Leninism is post Marxism. Most of what you rightfully decry (USSR, China) is a variant of Leninism. There are non-Leninist Socialists out there. Leninists can be Democratic Socialist and revolutionary socialists.
You also have non-Leninist revolutionary socialists.
Communism is the ideal utopian state that would develop. Even Marx knew it was pie in the sky and just used as a marker or goal--an impossible one.
Democratic socialists are non-Leninist in the USA and much of the world today. Leninism is what most of you are against. Chavez and Maduro are creeping closer to Leninism which Democratic Socialist should decry,
Social Democracy can be viewed as a transitionary phase possibly lasting hundreds of years until we reach socialism or just can be the end phase as a method of curbing the excesses of capitalism.
Democratic Socialist believe in non-violent, constitutional means of achieving social democracy and eventually democratic socialism. Sure you have some crack-pot revolutionary socialists posing as Democratic Socialists because the DSA is growing, but you really don't have to fear a revolution coming anytime soon in the USA. Political participation is how the majority of Democratic Socialist want to change the USA.
Socialism predates Marxism and Leninism is post Marxism. Most of what you rightfully decry (USSR, China) is a variant of Leninism. There are non-Leninist Socialists out there. Leninists can be Democratic Socialist and revolutionary socialists.
You also have non-Leninist revolutionary socialists.
Communism is the ideal utopian state that would develop. Even Marx knew it was pie in the sky and just used as a marker or goal--an impossible one.
Democratic socialists are non-Leninist in the USA and much of the world today. Leninism is what most of you are against. Chavez and Maduro are creeping closer to Leninism which Democratic Socialist should decry,
Social Democracy can be viewed as a transitionary phase possibly lasting hundreds of years until we reach socialism or just can be the end phase as a method of curbing the excesses of capitalism.
Democratic Socialist believe in non-violent, constitutional means of achieving social democracy and eventually democratic socialism. Sure you have some crack-pot revolutionary socialists posing as Democratic Socialists because the DSA is growing, but you really don't have to fear a revolution coming anytime soon in the USA. Political participation is how the majority of Democratic Socialist want to change the USA.
Posted on 7/4/18 at 9:16 am to GumboPot
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What is the difference between Democrat Socialism, Socialism and Communism
honesty
Posted on 7/4/18 at 9:22 am to boogiewoogie1978
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Which would be a version of Democratic Socialism, no?
No, in fact those two terms are irreconsible. Like I said, the only people who use the term "democratic socialism" are politically illiterate or politically manipulative.
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