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What is the difference between Democrat Socialism, Socialism and Communism?
Posted on 7/3/18 at 10:50 pm
Posted on 7/3/18 at 10:50 pm
I’ll take a stab at it and please tell me where I’m wrong.
Democrat Socialism: a form of government that is just an idea. An idea that only views the “free” parts of Socialism that are voted in by the majority of the people and ignores the associated costs of the free stuff. It’s just an idea that will never exist.
Socialism: a form of government where the government owns the means of production.
Communism: just another name for Socialism mostly used at the end stages of a socialist government when things start going bad (e.g., property confiscation, liberties removed, genocide, hyperinflation, massive scarcity, etc.).
Democrat Socialism: a form of government that is just an idea. An idea that only views the “free” parts of Socialism that are voted in by the majority of the people and ignores the associated costs of the free stuff. It’s just an idea that will never exist.
Socialism: a form of government where the government owns the means of production.
Communism: just another name for Socialism mostly used at the end stages of a socialist government when things start going bad (e.g., property confiscation, liberties removed, genocide, hyperinflation, massive scarcity, etc.).
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Posted on 7/3/18 at 10:53 pm to GumboPot
They all have one thing in common.
None of them work.
None of them work.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 10:58 pm to GumboPot
"Communism doesn't work because people like to own stuff." -- Frank Zappa
Posted on 7/3/18 at 10:59 pm to VolsOut4Harambe
Right. But Socialism, mostly Democrat Socialism is all the rage these days especially with Millennials. I mean, who doesn’t want free stuff?
Posted on 7/3/18 at 11:00 pm to Kafka
quote:
"Communism doesn't work because people like to own stuff." -- Frank Zappa
That was one smart dude.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 11:16 pm to Kafka
quote:
Communism doesn't work because people like to own stuff." -- Frank Zappa
Zappa was wrong.
Communism doesn't work because pussy isn't egalitarian.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 11:16 pm to GumboPot
Young people associate Democratic Socialism with the welfare State, talkie the Nordic models. They're wrong.
In reality it's the more friendly version of socialism as opposed to authoritarian socialism which in reality is what the Soviet States practiced (authoritarian)
The natural progression of socialism is from Democratic to Authoritarian
Communism oesnt allow private property, socialism does
In reality it's the more friendly version of socialism as opposed to authoritarian socialism which in reality is what the Soviet States practiced (authoritarian)
The natural progression of socialism is from Democratic to Authoritarian
Communism oesnt allow private property, socialism does
Posted on 7/3/18 at 11:26 pm to GumboPot
2 are real things, 1 is a made up word that makes no sense but it has a better ring to it than Freeshitism
This post was edited on 7/3/18 at 11:27 pm
Posted on 7/3/18 at 11:35 pm to GumboPot
I was watching a lecture by the philosopher Daniel Dennett the other day. The subject was on the age old question of free will.
He was discussing the two options we have. First, we can believe we are fully in control of our actions and are the "central planners". He said this is the communist view.
Or we can believe that the notion that we're in control is just an illusion. Our brains are deciding our actions for us from the bottom up. This is the laissez-faire capitalism view. He used a termite colony as an analogy. Termites can build very complex colonies even though there is no "central planning" termite sitting in a throne somewhere.
Even though the lecture was not political he did mention how the top down approach of communism doesn't work in an economic system. I could tell his liberal audience of professors didn't care much for that statement.
BTW, Dennett doesn't believe either option is true. While he admits free will in the communist "central planner" sense is not true, his argument is that it's not bottom up either. It's somewhere in between.
To answer OP's question, there isn't much difference between them. Honestly, socialism is just a polite way of saying communism. Just as "white nationalist" is a polite way of saying Nazi.
He was discussing the two options we have. First, we can believe we are fully in control of our actions and are the "central planners". He said this is the communist view.
Or we can believe that the notion that we're in control is just an illusion. Our brains are deciding our actions for us from the bottom up. This is the laissez-faire capitalism view. He used a termite colony as an analogy. Termites can build very complex colonies even though there is no "central planning" termite sitting in a throne somewhere.
Even though the lecture was not political he did mention how the top down approach of communism doesn't work in an economic system. I could tell his liberal audience of professors didn't care much for that statement.
BTW, Dennett doesn't believe either option is true. While he admits free will in the communist "central planner" sense is not true, his argument is that it's not bottom up either. It's somewhere in between.
To answer OP's question, there isn't much difference between them. Honestly, socialism is just a polite way of saying communism. Just as "white nationalist" is a polite way of saying Nazi.
Posted on 7/4/18 at 12:02 am to GumboPot
What are the thre leading causes of death in the 20th Century Alex?
Posted on 7/4/18 at 12:20 am to GumboPot
Democratic Socialism is Norway and Denmark. Stuff I doubt would work here but is working pretty okay over there. The other options are awful.
Posted on 7/4/18 at 12:28 am to DawgHorns
This answer from Quora reflects my honest opinion.
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Before I start I have to say that I am on the side of capitalism. Despite its problems I am not aware of any other better system.
There are two issues that I am concerned about:
1- If there is no check and balance, it can become a one way street, which means wealth always goes from poor to rich. This has many technical details, but the point is that rich people get richer and poor people get poorer until economy lose its balance and we hit a depression. Rich people will ran out of people to sell their product to because everyone else is too poor to buy them. This take us to the my next point, and the most important one.
2- Pure capitalism is ruthless and unforgiving. The idea is that everyone is responsible for their action and if they don’t make wise decisions, they might become bankrupt. This is fine if it is in small scale. However, if we get to the situation like financial crisis in 2008, big corporations can sink the whole country with them! Pure capitalism would say that government should not bailout those banks. We should let capitalism do its job and clean the system. The problem is that it would have been and extremely painful process for millions of innocent people, who have nothing to do with those bad decisions.
To me this is the biggest problem, A wild capitalism without proper regulations, will generate fast growth and eventually correct itself, but when it does, it would be extremely painful for people who are affected.
This post was edited on 7/4/18 at 12:31 am
Posted on 7/4/18 at 12:34 am to DawgHorns
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Democratic Socialism is Norway and Denmark.
They are capitalists with regulations. Pretty much the same we have in America except with higher taxes. They are not really centrally planned "politburo" economies like the real socialists want.
Besides, what do the Scandinavian countries actually contribute to the world other than hot chicks? (I'll give them that). Why are all the real movers and shakers in the world located in America? Why isn't Apple, Microsoft, Intel headquartered in Stockholm?
Posted on 7/4/18 at 12:47 am to DawgHorns
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Democratic Socialism is Norway and Denmark
Nope.
Both have market economies and private ownership of industry.
Posted on 7/4/18 at 12:54 am to DawgHorns
quote:Those countries are not socialist. Socialism is working ok in zero countries.
Democratic Socialism is Norway and Denmark. Stuff I doubt would work here but is working pretty okay over there. The other options are awful.
Posted on 7/4/18 at 12:57 am to volod
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However, if we get to the situation like financial crisis in 2008, big corporations can sink the whole country with them! Pure capitalism would say that government should not bailout those banks. We should let capitalism do its job and clean the system. The problem is that it would have been and extremely painful process for millions of innocent people, who have nothing to do with those bad decisions.
This could not possibly be more wrong.
2008 financial crisis was caused when central planners (USA gov) dictated to banks to get be loans to people who could not ever afford to repay them (not capitalism).
Millions of people were NOT INNOCENT VICTIMS. They thought they were getting free/cheap money in cash out mortgage refinances that they would not sweat having to repay.
GREED, as much by the little people as the big bad bankers, was the root cause of the 2008 financial crisis.
Posted on 7/4/18 at 1:01 am to Meauxjeaux
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What is the difference between Democrat Socialism, Socialism and Communism?
One of those is trying to disguise it's true purpose. The others are not.
Posted on 7/4/18 at 1:33 am to volod
You honestly believe 2008 was caused by lack of regulation? Lmao.
You realize Democrat regulations forced banks in 2008 and STILL force banks to write loans to people that should never have a loan.
You realize Democrat regulations forced banks in 2008 and STILL force banks to write loans to people that should never have a loan.
Posted on 7/4/18 at 1:41 am to Catman88
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realize Democrat regulations forced banks in 2008 and STILL force banks to write loans to people that should never have a loan.
I understand your criticism. So what were the FDIC doing during that whole time. And why would Dems intentionally sabotage the lending system.
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