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re: What is stopping Russia from using high altitude heavy bombers on Ukraine?
Posted on 9/3/24 at 9:01 am to POTUS2024
Posted on 9/3/24 at 9:01 am to POTUS2024
quote:I want to make it absolutely clear that I don't want us involved in a European war; however, Russia is in no position to thwart any entry by U.S./NATO forces into Ukraine. We could absolutely annihilate them with air power before rolling divisions of armor and mechanized infantry across the Northern European Plain. They'd have no choice but to retreat, surrender, or use nukes.
We haven't had to deal with a contested entry into theater since WWII.
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Posted on 9/3/24 at 9:45 am to Tantal
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however, Russia is in no position to thwart any entry by U.S./NATO forces into Ukraine. We could absolutely annihilate them with air power before rolling divisions of armor and mechanized infantry across the Northern European Plain. They'd have no choice but to retreat, surrender, or use nukes
The Russian army has twice the number of soldiers than NATO. There's no doubt, NATO could inflict damage to Russia, but it's not as if NATO planes, soldiers, and tanks are invisible!!!
Also, NATO would have to move troops and weapons on a massive scale.
Russia can cause major disruption by taking out key railways and highways.
It wouldn't be anything like what you described.
This post was edited on 9/3/24 at 9:52 am
Posted on 9/3/24 at 10:36 am to lake chuck fan
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It wouldn't be anything like what you described.
We haven’t fought a war like this since Korea. I think we would initially struggle.
But these are fantasy scenarios, because the war eventually go nuclear.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 10:41 am to lake chuck fan
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NATO could inflict damage to Russia
We wouldn't be trying to take Moscow and St. Petersburg. All NATO would do is push the Russians out of Ukraine. While Russia will very likely win this war, they're going to do it the same way they always have. Pure attrition. They don't have the manpower to win a war of attrition against the West's superior technology. Plus, Russia isn't the Soviet Union. Their population was cut by almost 2/3 when the iron curtain fell. They're down to about 144M now with a large majority being beyond military service age due to a collapse in their birth rate. While I don't want a war with Russia, a conventional war with them would be a one-sided bloodbath.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 10:49 am to Tantal
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They don't have the manpower to win a war of attrition against the West's superior technology.
It’s not obvious to me that we’re superior
They have a strong advantage in air defense systems, and absolute dominance in electronic warfare. What happens if they can neutralize our advantage in air power and precision guided munitions?
The Russian forces are also larger, and they’re more experienced at this point. That’s not a recipe for success.
This post was edited on 9/3/24 at 3:41 pm
Posted on 9/3/24 at 11:07 am to Lima Whiskey
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It’s not obvious to me that we’re superior
We are. Our 40 year old stuff is as good or better than their new stuff.
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They have a strong advantage in air defense systems
Doubtful. The S300s and S400s aren't as good as advertised. Plus, they're being used to protect Russia proper, not necessarily Ukrainian territory.
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The Russian forces are larger, and they’re more experienced at this point.
Larger than Ukraine, not NATO. They're having to buy antiquated artillery shells from the Norks and move 50's technology tanks from the far east. They're not experienced, They're throwing untrained conscripts into the meat grinder like they always do.
This post was edited on 9/3/24 at 11:19 am
Posted on 9/3/24 at 11:27 am to Tantal
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They're not experienced, They're throwing untrained conscripts into the meat grinder like they always do.
You’re not a serious person
That’s not the reality on the ground, and it should be evident that it’s not
This post was edited on 9/3/24 at 11:38 am
Posted on 9/3/24 at 12:03 pm to Tantal
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Larger than Ukraine, not NATO. They're having to buy antiquated artillery shells from the Norks and move 50's technology tanks from the far east. They're not experienced, They're throwing untrained conscripts into the meat grinder like they always do.
Basically all wrong.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 12:08 pm to RollTide1987
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Newsflash: the Russians possess an aging military with technology that hasn't been updated since the end of the Cold War.
Dude. Has the US won a war since WW2?
Posted on 9/3/24 at 2:35 pm to lake chuck fan
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You people are delusional
Yet they still aren't going to fly heavy bombers over Ukraine. They'll keep them back and maybe glide bomb some stuff, but ain't no way they're sending them into danger.
Why is that? Hmm?
Posted on 9/3/24 at 2:38 pm to GREENHEAD22
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What is stopping Russia from using high altitude heavy bombers on Ukraine?
They've been using them since the start of the war. However, the Russian bombers stay outside of Ukrainian airspace so they don't get shot down. They launch missiles into Ukraine from high altitude inside of Russia.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 2:41 pm to Cajun Tigah
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Why would Russia destroy the land that they want to occupy?
Russia has been doing that from day 1 of this war. Please follow along.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 2:49 pm to Powerman
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Yeah If NATO intervenes the war won't last very long. Russia would get run the frick over in a matter of weeks.
No country with nukes will just get run over. There is zero appetite for war amongst the citizens in NATO countries either
Posted on 9/3/24 at 5:07 pm to concrete_tiger
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Has the US won a war since WW2?
Well, we kept the South Koreans from being overrun by communists and their economy is flourishing in 2024 while North Korea is quietly having to rely on the goodwill of the West to survive as a nation-state. The failure of Vietnam was the result of politicians putting their hands where they didn't belong, however the military won every major battle it fought against the VietCong and the North Vietnamese Army. I can confidently say that the United States and her allies decisively defeated Saddam Hussein and the Iraqi Army in the Persian Gulf War of 1990-91. Desert Storm was one of the biggest routs in modern military history. The same can be said for the invasion of Iraq in 2003. Iraq remains a free (albeit backwards) country over 20 years later. Afghanistan was a failure, but once again you can blame the politicians for setting the Afghan government up for failure against the Taliban in 2021.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 5:09 pm to Lima Whiskey
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They have a strong advantage in air defense systems, and absolute dominance in electronic warfare.
As someone who works in the field of electronic warfare:
This post was edited on 9/3/24 at 5:10 pm
Posted on 9/3/24 at 5:27 pm to RollTide1987
They would embarrass us
Posted on 9/3/24 at 5:32 pm to Lima Whiskey
When is Russia going to embarrass Ukraine?
They should probably focus on trying to embarrass Ukraine before you start talking about how they would embarrass us.
They should probably focus on trying to embarrass Ukraine before you start talking about how they would embarrass us.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 5:41 pm to lake chuck fan
Dude, the Russians couldn't do shite with the Navy fully aware and engaged. The one thing that the US and NATO have a Supreme advantage is in Naval assets and ability.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 6:25 pm to GREENHEAD22
Being shotdown is why. Russia has a 2nd rate Air Force.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 6:54 pm to Jack Carter
This exactly.
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