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re: What is Putin's end game? What is his best possibly scenario?
Posted on 3/3/14 at 10:09 am to LSURussian
Posted on 3/3/14 at 10:09 am to LSURussian
That is one beat tool.
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 10:19 am to OaklandFire
He will hold the Earth hostage.....utter global destruction. Unless we give him ONE MILLION DOLLARS.
Posted on 3/3/14 at 10:21 am to LSURussian
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He will still move to take over the slice of Ukraine along Russia's western border that is primarily populated by ethnic Russians. That area also happens to be the industrial/manufacturing area of Ukraine....steel manufacturing mills, large equipment manufacturers, etc.
I don't doubt it but he isn't going to take over the country as I don't think his military is capable of holding the full extent of Ukraine. Ultimately I think this will be his effort to reign in Kiev and try to get them to do what he thought the former president could accomplish - closer ties to Russia...but that blew up in his face.
Posted on 3/3/14 at 10:39 am to cwill
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Should we put troops on the ground?
No.
But it doesn't matter. We won't anyway. And Putin knows it.
However, as with the British/French in 1938 at Munich, if we projected at least a credible threat to do so, things might be different.
This post was edited on 3/3/14 at 10:40 am
Posted on 3/3/14 at 12:07 pm to LSURussian
Posted on 3/3/14 at 12:13 pm to OaklandFire
Putin wants:
1. Re-intergration of Crimea into Russia as a Russian owned province.
2. Vassalization of the rest of Ukraine.
1. Re-intergration of Crimea into Russia as a Russian owned province.
2. Vassalization of the rest of Ukraine.
This post was edited on 3/3/14 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 3/3/14 at 12:22 pm to Eurocat
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Putin Doesn't Know What He Wants in Ukraine
"What's his plan? Russians don't take a dump, son, without a plan." - Admiral Painter to Jack Ryan, The Hunt For Red October.
Posted on 3/3/14 at 12:51 pm to LSURussian
At what point do those in the western part of Ukraine become okay with those in the Russia-friendly parts of the country becoming part of Russia?
If there's such ethnolinguistic differences between the two regions, what's keeping it all together? Is there some sort of asymmetric economic reason that explains why the west would want to remain attached to the east anyway?
If there's such ethnolinguistic differences between the two regions, what's keeping it all together? Is there some sort of asymmetric economic reason that explains why the west would want to remain attached to the east anyway?
Posted on 3/3/14 at 12:54 pm to RedStickBR
Posted on 3/3/14 at 12:56 pm to OaklandFire
quote:Besides consolidating power and trying to return Russia to a major player in Europe/the world as it was before the fall of the eastern bloc, I think he really wants Crimea back under Russian control.
Where does he expect this to end?
The area was a part of the Russian SSR until sometime in the late 50s/early 60s when it was gifted to Ukraine. After running out the Taters, the area became dominated by Russians, and they feel more tied to Russia than Ukraine.
I think his belief is that if he puts troops in place, Ukraine will break and agree to cede the lands back to Russia before any meaningful sanctions could have any impact.
Posted on 3/3/14 at 1:11 pm to RedStickBR
quote:If it were me, I'd tell Putin, you keep your collateral (Crimea) and the debt we owe you is canceled. In effect, Putin just bought a peninsula for about $6 billion.
At what point do those in the western part of Ukraine become okay with those in the Russia-friendly parts of the country becoming part of Russia?
But that's just me.....
Posted on 3/3/14 at 1:13 pm to PJinAtl
quote:You're about the 10 poster who's written "Taters."
After running out the Taters,
Taters is what you make redneck vodka out of.
The ethnic group who the Russians expelled from the Crimea were the Tatars. Like the sauce.....
Posted on 3/3/14 at 1:14 pm to LSURussian
Like tartar sauce??!!!
Yes, it is sarcasm.
Yes, it is sarcasm.
This post was edited on 3/3/14 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 3/3/14 at 1:14 pm to OaklandFire
Russian people in Crimea...Russian military bases and economic ports...Russian sympathy to put an end to the Homosexual hegemony in that region...it all adds up to his protecting and liberating his kind from the polluted Western interest. 
Don't laugh! 
The UN, Nato, et al...are worthless...unless they are willing to BAN all investment in Russia, and start getting a lot of oil/NG from other sources. Like the US. That would get Putin's attention, and bring him to the table. But they'll keep that Region. They'd go to war for that.
Don't laugh! The UN, Nato, et al...are worthless...unless they are willing to BAN all investment in Russia, and start getting a lot of oil/NG from other sources. Like the US. That would get Putin's attention, and bring him to the table. But they'll keep that Region. They'd go to war for that.
Posted on 3/3/14 at 1:17 pm to KeyserSoze999
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the libs in their race to morally equivocate, forget that evil is not equal across the countries nor their leaders.
please then by all means tell us what the mighty republicans would do differently
Posted on 3/3/14 at 1:53 pm to MJM
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please then by all means tell us what the mighty republicans would do differently
Great deflection. Worthy of the best of Spidey and Little Rexy.
Posted on 3/3/14 at 1:54 pm to Godfather1
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He's debasing American global strength and standing at every turn by continually exposing what a team of absolute fricking amateurs we have running things here.
THIS
He's already making masterful & major strides toward his goal.
Next he'll take a corridor through Latvia to Russia's naval base there and in the process destroy NATO without firing a shot because NATO will collapse when the US refuses to intervene on behalf of its member Latvia.
This post was edited on 3/3/14 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 3/3/14 at 1:54 pm to MJM
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please then by all means tell us what the mighty republicans would do differently
exactly. What did GWB do when Putin invaded Georgia? nada. This reflects more that the west is burned out on war, than it does of weak US policy. The polls also reflect this.
This post was edited on 3/3/14 at 1:56 pm
Posted on 3/3/14 at 2:10 pm to BobBoucher
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The polls also reflect this
all we need to know
Posted on 3/3/14 at 2:12 pm to BobBoucher
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This reflects more that the west is burned out on war, than it does of weak US policy. The polls also reflect this.
I agree that our failure to act is a result of the collective will of the people, but that doesn't change that Obama's methods and actions have weakened our world standing.
That said, can someone read this article from national review and tell me that it's just crazy talk:
The Eurasian Threat
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