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re: What if Trump was just a controlled psyop to take focus away from real change?

Posted on 1/1/23 at 4:57 pm to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/1/23 at 4:57 pm to
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Why'd you avoid the part about distrust in government?


You didn't see the part where I linked the media and DEMs?

With DEMs being linked to the media, it's not an attack "on government". It's an attack on partisan government (of the DEMs)
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Posted on 1/1/23 at 5:01 pm to
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Trump was the dude who was willing to take fight to DC and that meant a lot to a lot of Americans.


Exactly. The vast majority of Trump’s supporters are solid citizens simply attempting to play by the “rules” of a game in which the rules themselves are constantly in state of flux depending upon ideological and identitarian loyalties.

Yet every post by SFP on this forum is predicated on his belief that Trump’s supporters are brainwashed tools who don’t have the sense to pour piss out of a boot before putting it on. If SFP could overcome that handicap, he would be a much more interesting poster.
This post was edited on 1/1/23 at 5:40 pm
Posted by Aubie Spr96
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Posted on 1/1/23 at 5:03 pm to
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Dumbasses are for open borders.



It’s called controlled immigration. Our system is broken. The answer is not more gov’t. You’re literally begging to feds to build a concentration camp and you’re in it. After what we’ve seen over the last couple of years, why would anyone give them that ability?

Want less immigration? End the War on Drugs. End the social welfare system. Reform our immigration system and work visa program. Problem solved and reduce the size of gov’t at the same time.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/1/23 at 5:04 pm to
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Yet every post by SFP on this forum is predicated on his belief that Trump’s supporters are brainwashed tools who don’t have the sense to pour piss out of a boot before putting it on.

No I just think they're sheep who have been convinced that they're radicals, in classic NPC fashion.
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Posted on 1/1/23 at 5:05 pm to
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QAnon most definitely was/is.


As was the January 6th “insurrection.”
Posted by Bunk Moreland
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Posted on 1/1/23 at 5:07 pm to
It's not crazy to think a New York real estate mogul who flirted with Hollywood is a phony Republican and troll/plant of some sort. That said, the intelligence agencies are absolutely terrified of him for some reason to the point that they went all-in on risky, borderline criminal behavior to set him up. That is the main reason I don't buy that he is a deep state/globalist plant.
Posted by Leotiger725
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Posted on 1/1/23 at 5:10 pm to
What happened to you
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/1/23 at 5:12 pm to
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As was the January 6th “insurrection.”

Only possible with Trump being exactly the icon referenced in OP.

I'm not saying Trump caused January 6, but the election disruption is exactly the polarizing event that permitted Jan 6, another disruption event (creating more polarizing on the other side and then polarized defense of Trump people).

No actual progress can be done if every discussion goes back to the election or January 6...Trump was the perfectly-inserted lightning rod to provide this constant conflict.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/1/23 at 5:13 pm to
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That said, the intelligence agencies are absolutely terrified of him for some reason to the point that they went all-in on risky, borderline criminal behavior to set him up. That is the main reason I don't buy that he is a deep state/globalist plant.

The issue is, he doesn't have to know he's a plant for him to be a plant.
Posted by stuntman
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Posted on 1/1/23 at 5:13 pm to
Yes, I saw that. In my post though, I said media and government. Trump was able to get a huge chunk of the population to lose trust in both of those institutions.

Then when you mention media and only talk about them, that discounts the role government has with the media and controlling narratives. If we both believe that elite have a stronghold on government (I think we agree on that, but I don't want to put words in your mouth), and if we both believe that government is in bed with the media (I think we agree jere too) then how can it be at the elite you're talking about don't have a say in the media's narratives?
This post was edited on 1/1/23 at 5:18 pm
Posted by texas tortilla
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Posted on 1/1/23 at 5:14 pm to
I guess you believe putin blew up the nord stream 2 pipeline.
Posted by Nathan Hail
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Posted on 1/1/23 at 5:18 pm to
What if saying, "Trump was just a controlled psyop to take focus away from real change" is a psyop?
Posted by squid_hunt
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Posted on 1/1/23 at 5:18 pm to
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What if Trump was just a controlled psyop to take focus away from real change?

Then Slow Ho would be for him.
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Posted on 1/1/23 at 5:20 pm to
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Bunk Moreland


Trump certainly has enemies in all the right places. That is the strongest argument against this theory.

In any event, Trump— or a populist such as Trump — will never be President again. The permanent reigning bipartisan establishment have formally institutionalized ballot stuffing campaigns so that a populist such as Trump will never be President again.
Posted by TigerOnTheMountain
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Posted on 1/1/23 at 5:24 pm to
That was totally organic and not at all orchestrated.

Don’t be such a conspiracy dork
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/1/23 at 5:25 pm to
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Trump was able to get a huge chunk of the population to lose trust in both of those institutions.

They lost trust in their partisan opposition and linked those institutions to that partisanship.

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If we both believe that elite have a stronghold on government (I think we agree on that, but I don't want to put words in your mouth), and if we both believe that government is in bed with the media

Again, you're not stating this correctly.

Media is in bed with the DEMs. When the DEMs act via government, they use the media.

America First Patriots just made that partisan connection. They still trust the government...when their side is running it.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/1/23 at 5:25 pm to
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What if saying, "Trump was just a controlled psyop to take focus away from real change" is a psyop?


Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 1/1/23 at 5:26 pm to
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Trump— or a populist such as Trump — will never be President again

You have to define words, specifically "a populist" and "such as Trump".
Posted by davyjones
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Posted on 1/1/23 at 5:28 pm to
I think we’re supposed to go by your definitions is what I gathered.

Posted by supatigah
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Posted on 1/1/23 at 5:31 pm to
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That didn't exist in any numbers in 2016


those of us that live in big Dem controlled cities have been well aware how corrupt the election system is for quite a long time

its weird how you are open minded and closed minded at the same time
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