re: What if the WuFlu was created by the DS in Ukraine and then released in Wuhan on purpose?

As someone posted earlier, it is plausible.

But, realistically, it didn't have to come from Ukraine since WIH gain of function research was already being paid for in the by the American taxpayer via Fauci and his cabal within the US medical community.

Ukraine could've been working on a whole different world killer strain (ref Fauci's recent comments on resistant tuberculosis strains in Ukraine - Fauci is in a position to know what was being researched there since he is/was probably holding the purse strings).

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Is it your position that the vaccines did not prevent people from getting seriously ill? Serious question

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Is it your position that people that contacted the virus didn't get seriously ill WITHOUT the vaccine?

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Is it your position that people that contacted the virus didn't get seriously ill WITHOUT the vaccine?

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Not following, if you're trying to say that plenty of unvaccinated people got COVID and didn't get very sick - of course I agree, it's absolute fact

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So they could impact the election?

Fact: the virus was manipulated through gain of function research to infect humans.

Fact: the United States government paid for the gain of function research that created the virus.

Fact: China has never admitted responsibility nor that the virus came directly from the WIV.

Fact: the election was absolutely negatively impacted by the voting protocols put in place due to the WuFlu. (despite it's 99.03% survival rate)

Fact: nearly EVERY narrative pushed by liberals, cucks, and the media was a lie. From the origin of the virus from a bat to the mortality rate of the virus to the effectiveness of masks, to the efficacy rate of the vaccine. IT'S ALL BEEN A LIE

Fact: Ukraine has been the center of much frickery and corruption for decades. (Burisma anyone?)

Fact: some of you are now learning of a minimum of 36 bio labs in Ukraine that were funded by various US agencies. (Some of us already knew this)

Fact: the left and the cucks have whipped themselves into an absolute frenzy over this "war" even more so than they did about the previously mentioned virus. They are absolutely beside themselves trying to convince the world to come to Ukraine's defense to stop Russia's onslaught into their frickery playground.

This means, as usual with liberals and Cucks that they're hiding something.

Are they terrified that Putin now has EVIDENCE that "they" staged and executed the entire damn thing to beat the bad orange man and blame it on China?

Did they develop that shite in a Ukrainian lab funded by US dollars and then released it in China (to blame China) at the world military games in 2019 so it would spread globally?

Definitely food for thought.

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Fact: nearly EVERY narrative pushed by liberals, cucks, and the media was a lie. From the origin of the virus from a bat to the mortality rate of the virus to the effectiveness of masks, to the efficacy rate of the vaccine. IT'S ALL BEEN A LIE

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Fact: Ukraine has been the center of much frickery and corruption for decades. (Burisma anyone?)

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Fact: the left and the cucks have whipped themselves into an absolute frenzy over this "war" even more so than they did about the previously mentioned virus. They are absolutely beside themselves trying to convince the world to come to Ukraine's defense to stop Russia's onslaught into their frickery playground.

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This means, as usual with liberals and Cucks that they're hiding something.

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The thought has crossed my mind more than once. There's a pretty good chance you're on to something but like everything else on the left that's corrupt it will get swept under the rug.

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Your statement was that there were people that didn't get seriously ill due to the vaccine.

I countered with there were people that didn't get seriously ill that didn't take the vaccine.

We really don't know if the vaccine was effective or not.

Especially since Pfizer skewed all the trial data.

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There are probably hundreds of peer reviewed papers on vaccine efficacy, and you won't accept any of them, so there isn't anything I can do here. If I give you anecdotal evidence you'll call that out, appropriately.

I likely have all the same qualms as you about how we've been manipulated by COVID and how they hid issues with the vaccines, etc. But I also believe the vaccines worked to reduce serious illness (and probably transmission initially). If you polled all the conservative physicians in America, I'd bet my house and kid that they'd agree with me.

Perhaps they're all brainwashed too, I don't know. I don't think so.

I do think the end of any expertise/fact is a real problem. And we would probably agree on how many industries, academia, etc. are corrupted and have led to that mistrust, which then turns into not trusting anything.

All that said, my guess is that deep down even you think it's more likely than not the vaccines were at least partially successful/useful.

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His head is so far in the sand, joe biden could knock on his door and tell him ‘hey man, we manufactured and delivered the virus to gain more control of this country’ and that liberal fricking douche would find some sort of way to blame trump or play some sort of whataboutism type of game

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We all know Trump is responsible for COVID

They could have been helpful on the population that actually needed it.

We don't know because Pfizer fricked with all the data.

There were over 1100 deaths in the first phase. They pulled the Spanish Flu vaccine after only 37 deaths in the 70s.

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What's your personal guess as to whether the vaccine reduced the impacts of COVID pre-Delta?

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It would probably help matters if the Pfizer & Moderna injectable COVID drugs were actual vaccines, derived from attenuated COVID virus.

Then again, they'd have to be able to isolate COVID-19, which they still haven't been able to do...