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re: What If Cures Already Exist?
Posted on 8/14/26 at 12:32 pm to Obtuse1
Posted on 8/14/26 at 12:32 pm to Obtuse1
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This is simple first-order thinking. The reality is the longer a person is alive the more revenue they produce. Save a person's life with cancer in the 60s, and they will likely live into their 70s or 80s; then the healthcare revenue starts going up exponentially. The healthcare industry is better off keeping people alive as long as possible from a pure revenue POV.
Reality does fit a different conspiracy, though. If the idea is to reduce the population and decrease the average lifespan, then it does have some benefits; it doesn't include raising healthcare revenue, though.
A bit of logic and less feelings will let you see the error of your posit.
A person without problems generates $0 in revenue, so this claim isn't correct at all.
And you're looking at things as a whole rather than as specific people. An individual wouldn't be thinking about the industry as a whole, just what they can get off a person in the near future.
A mechanic doesn't look at a vehicle and say - well if I fix this the car will last long and I'll get more money out of it. And they will definitely recommend things not even needed and/or more frequently just for the extra revenue.
This post was edited on 8/14/26 at 12:34 pm
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Posted on 8/14/26 at 12:39 pm to 11Eleven
There is a cure, but big pharma and the government don't want to release it because there is no money in cures.
Why cure something that you can treat for a lifetime? That is their MO.
Another reason why MD's and the FDA will not approve Ivermectin for human use. Because it works for so many things.
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Why cure something that you can treat for a lifetime? That is their MO.
Another reason why MD's and the FDA will not approve Ivermectin for human use. Because it works for so many things.
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Posted on 8/14/26 at 12:55 pm to dchog
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Now you can recover with over the counter medication from Walmart.
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That is the point to ease any discomfort while your body fights the virus.
Why then do they label it flu and cold medicine when it's not a cure...people could just take a tylenol or advil to ease discomfort. There are natural cures people could use. Sambacol is one of them.
This post was edited on 8/14/26 at 3:48 pm
Posted on 8/14/26 at 2:06 pm to Ailsa
That isn't a cure.
Some small studies show it clears the virus symptoms faster while larger studies show little to no benefit.
Some small studies show it clears the virus symptoms faster while larger studies show little to no benefit.
Posted on 8/14/26 at 2:15 pm to dchog
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That isn't a cure.
Some small studies show it clears the virus symptoms faster while larger studies show little to no benefit.
Who paid for the studies?...big pharma? I've used it and others I know. It works.
Posted on 8/14/26 at 2:37 pm to KingOrange
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They do.
Quiet. If this gets out they will stop paying me and every othe doctor or there thousands of dollars a week to keep our mouths shut.
They are paying us thousands of dollars a week instead of making billions of dollars. That makes sense...
Posted on 8/14/26 at 3:27 pm to Ailsa
Great. You should easily be able to explain and replicate these results. Or you can continue spamming shite I will absolutely not watch. Just because someone says something you are not aware of does not mean that it is true.
Also you realize these are not really impressive numbers, depending on the study design, right?
For example, in the traditional CHOP chemotherapy regimen, you can find tumor regression between 70% and 87% of cases, with complete disappearance in 50% to 75% of cases.
How much more boring nonsense can you post?
Also you realize these are not really impressive numbers, depending on the study design, right?
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Patients took 25 mg Ivermectin and 250 mg Mebendazole.
After 6 months, patients had an 84.4% Clinical Benefit Ratio (CBR)—meaning more than four out of five patients reported either:
No evidence of disease (32.8%)
Tumor regression (15.6%)
Cancer stabilization (36.1%)
For example, in the traditional CHOP chemotherapy regimen, you can find tumor regression between 70% and 87% of cases, with complete disappearance in 50% to 75% of cases.
How much more boring nonsense can you post?
Posted on 8/14/26 at 3:37 pm to Boom33
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A person without problems generates $0 in revenue, so this claim isn't correct at all.
Firstly, there is absolutely no person without problems. This class of people does not exist in any population. Even in the healthiest set of people you can have the seeds of issues that have the potential to appear, sometimes well before there are even symptoms. And it also requires medical work to get to the stage where you can say 'this person does not have problems at this point in time.'
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And you're looking at things as a whole rather than as specific people. An individual wouldn't be thinking about the industry as a whole, just what they can get off a person in the near future.
This isn't the way medicine works.
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A mechanic doesn't look at a vehicle and say - well if I fix this the car will last long and I'll get more money out of it. And they will definitely recommend things not even needed and/or more frequently just for the extra revenue.
Again, this isn't the way medicine, at least as it is taught in medical schools, works. Treatment protocols are defined, and ethical principles are used in an attempt to keep costs down. Hence why we don't give an MRI for every single case of back pain that presents to clinic and so on. Even in residency you often have to have good justifications to get specific tests or use specific modalities. The trend with this class of administrators who are taking up hospital positions now is to treat the patient like the customer. It is bad medicine though.
Posted on 8/14/26 at 3:40 pm to Ailsa
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Why then do they label it flu and cold medicine when it's not a cute...people could just take a tylenol or advil to ease discomfort. There are natural cures people could use. Sambacol is one of them.
The poster you are responding to is mistaken, confusing two different classes of medications. There are a new class of antivirals which are intended to mitigate symptoms of influenza if taken early in the disease cycle, such as Xofluza and Tamiflu. These are more effective within 48 hours of symptom appearance and are over the counter to my knowledge.
This post was edited on 8/14/26 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 8/14/26 at 3:53 pm to crazy4lsu
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There are a new class of antivirals which are intended to mitigate symptoms of influenza if taken early in the disease cycle, such as Xofluza and Tamiflu.
Those medications are worse than the flu...I'd rather use natural cures.
from drugs.com:
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Precautions
It is very important that your doctor check your or your child's progress after treatment. This is to make sure that the infection is cleared up completely, and to allow your doctor to check for any unwanted effects.
This medicine is not a substitute for an annual flu shot. It also will not keep you or your child from getting a bacterial infection that starts with flu-like symptoms.
This medicine may cause a serious type of allergic reaction called anaphylaxis. Anaphylaxis can be life-threatening and requires immediate medical attention. Call your doctor right away if you have a rash, itching, hoarseness, trouble breathing, trouble swallowing, or any swelling of your hands, face, or mouth while you or your child are using this medicine.
Serious skin reactions can occur with this medicine. Stop using this medicine and check with your doctor right away if you have blistering, peeling, or loosening of the skin, red skin lesions, severe acne or skin rash, sores or ulcers on the skin, or fever or chills while you or your child are using this medicine.
Oseltamivir may cause some people, especially children and teenagers, to be agitated, irritable, or display other abnormal behaviors, which may result in injury. If you, your child, or your caregiver notice any of these side effects, tell your doctor or your child's doctor right away.
Make sure your doctor knows if you or your child plan to get the live nasal mist flu vaccine before you start using this medicine. You should not receive the vaccine within 2 weeks before or 48 hours after using this medicine.
If your or your child's symptoms do not improve after you or your child finish taking the medicine, or if they become worse, check with your doctor.
Common side effects of Tamiflu
Some side effects of oseltamivir may occur that usually do not need medical attention. These side effects may go away during treatment as your body adjusts to the medicine. Also, your health care professional may be able to tell you about ways to prevent or reduce some of these side effects.
Check with your health care professional if any of the following side effects continue or are bothersome or if you have any questions about them:
More common side effects
diarrhea
nausea
vomiting
Less common side effects
abdominal or stomach pain
bloody nose or unexplained nosebleeds (occurs mainly in children)
burning, dry, or itching eyes (mainly in children)
dizziness
ear disorder (occurs mainly in children)
excessive tearing of the eyes (mainly in children)
redness, pain, or swelling of the eye or eyelid (mainly in children)
trouble with sleeping
Rare side effects
pale skin
troubled breathing
unusual bleeding or bruising
Posted on 8/14/26 at 3:59 pm to Ailsa
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Those medications are worse than the flu...I'd rather use natural cures.
I mean, not really, but if that is what you want to believe, so be it. The less common side effects occur in 0.1% to 1 % of patients, while the rare side effects occur in less than 0.1 % of patients.
Posted on 8/14/26 at 5:10 pm to crazy4lsu
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Firstly, there is absolutely no person without problems. This class of people does not exist in any population. Even in the healthiest set of people you can have the seeds of issues that have the potential to appear, sometimes well before there are even symptoms. And it also requires medical work to get to the stage where you can say 'this person does not have problems at this point in time.'
My oil needs to be changed very 3000 miles according to the guy who sells oil changes.
And let's not even get into the price tag of just the basic tests you are talking about just so you can say "this person does not have problems at this point in time".
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This isn't the way medicine works.
No, that isn't the way you want people to believe medicine works because it's not good for the industry.
If that's not how it works, then explain all the recalls and lawsuits and everything else that goes on where things are prescribed knowing there are bad side effects or problems and so forth. Why are pharma companies paying out billions of dollars? Just honest mistakes? Or is it evidence of an industry that is more worried about the bottom line today than what might happen over the next 40 years?
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Again, this isn't the way medicine, at least as it is taught in medical schools, works. Treatment protocols are defined, and ethical principles are used in an attempt to keep costs down. Hence why we don't give an MRI for every single case of back pain that presents to clinic and so on. Even in residency you often have to have good justifications to get specific tests or use specific modalities. The trend with this class of administrators who are taking up hospital positions now is to treat the patient like the customer. It is bad medicine though.
You don't give an MRI for every single case of back pain because insurance companies won't cover it.
Your industry sure had no ethical trouble calling a shot a vaccine when it wasn't a vaccine, ignoring the potential long term side effects and many of them trying to force it down on people while lobbying and getting immunity for any future lawsuits as a result of their actions.
According to your industry I really needed that shot. Many of them belong in prison and yet 0 accountability.
But yeah, you're all a bunch of fricking saints immune to the human condition. The fact you try to make people believe this shite just makes you look even more dishonest to me.
This post was edited on 8/14/26 at 5:12 pm
Posted on 8/14/26 at 5:29 pm to Boom33
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No, that isn't the way you want people to believe medicine works because it's not good for the industry.
If that's not how it works, then explain all the recalls and lawsuits and everything else that goes on where things are prescribed knowing there are bad side effects or problems and so forth. Why are pharma companies paying out billions of dollars? Just honest mistakes? Or is it evidence of an industry that is more worried about the bottom line today than what might happen over the next 40 years?
My dad was prescribed a hayfever medication that permanently damaged his heart and it took them awhile before it was taken off the market.
Posted on 8/14/26 at 5:31 pm to crazy4lsu
Both are those are prescription medications.
Posted on 8/14/26 at 5:32 pm to KingOrange
Vitamin D & Ivermectin for one
Posted on 8/14/26 at 5:32 pm to Boom33
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My oil needs to be changed very 3000 miles according to the guy who sells oil changes.
Bud, the facts of the human body do not change just because there is an industry associated with it. Again, there is no person without problems. This just does not exist.
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No, that isn't the way you want people to believe medicine works because it's not good for the industry.
No, I am saying the actual practice of medicine, absent of the scale of the industry behind it, does not work this way. As in, the treatment approach using ethical principles which include references to what the health system can sustain.
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Your industry sure had no ethical trouble calling a shot a vaccine when it wasn't a vaccine,
It was a vaccine.
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ignoring the potential long term side effects
There are none. Before you give me a paragraph long diatribe, tell me the symptomology of long term vaccine injury. I need specifics here. I ask this because the notion of 'long term side effects' is not the way human pathology works.
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Many of them belong in prison and yet 0 accountability.
You dummies voted in the person who led the initial COVID response. There was 0 accountability from the beginning.
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The fact you try to make people believe this shite just makes you look even more dishonest to me.
Make believe what? You are talking in circles about things you don't know and no doubt will double down.
Posted on 8/14/26 at 5:37 pm to dchog
Yeah I am saying I am unaware of any over the counter medications which aid recovery to a meaningful degree.
Posted on 8/14/26 at 5:47 pm to crazy4lsu
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Bud, the facts of the human body do not change just because there is an industry associated with it. Again, there is no person without problems. This just does not exist.
I had no problems for many decades. The only thing going to a doctor could have done was screw me up.
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No, I am saying the actual practice of medicine, absent of the scale of the industry behind it, does not work this way. As in, the treatment approach using ethical principles which include references to what the health system can sustain.
I remember back in the 90s a good friend of mine would get pain pills every month even when he didn't really need them from a doctor. He had a bad accident, so it was a good excuse, but all he did was sell them. It was about $800+ extra income for the guy.
He was on disability and all that, so the flip side was he was always having tests and things done that paid out the doctor that he often didn't need. But the doctor could charge it up because he was on medicare or whatever program it was.
And before you try to tell me this is an anecdotal case, it's now to the point where people are having trouble getting actual pain pills when they need it because of the prior way doctors prescribed it. Of which the pharma industry was more than happy to supply while constantly running campaigns against alternatives and things like marijuana which threaten their industry.
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It was a vaccine.
Only after they changed the definition of what a vaccine is, because it's not a vaccine and it didn't make people immune to anything.
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There are none. Before you give me a paragraph long diatribe, tell me the symptomology of long term vaccine injury. I need specifics here. I ask this because the notion of 'long term side effects' is not the way human pathology works.
Death seems like a pretty long-term side effect.
Or you can tell my non-verbal autistic grandson if you like. You can at least pretend like he trusts you.
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You dummies voted in the person who led the initial COVID response. There was 0 accountability from the beginning.
I didn't vote for Trump in 2016 or 2020, so find another copout. I did vote for him 2024, but I don't shield him from his 2020 mistakes.
But I guess this is you inadvertently admitting your entire premise is based on who is elected president? Seems flimsy.
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Make believe what? You are talking in circles about things you don't know and no doubt will double down.
As if the Hippocratic Oath is followed.
This post was edited on 8/14/26 at 5:49 pm
Posted on 8/14/26 at 6:01 pm to Boom33
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I had no problems for many decades. The only thing going to a doctor could have done was screw me up.
Sure thing. The end reference for all things is your experience and your experience alone. Cool.
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And before you try to tell me this is an anecdotal case, it's now to the point where people are having trouble getting actual pain pills when they need it because of the prior way doctors prescribed it. Of which the pharma industry was more than happy to supply while constantly running campaigns against alternatives and things like marijuana which threaten their industry.
Yes, occasionally industries can do bad things, and at no point have those pharmaceuticals ever been held accountable. And they won't be.
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Only after they changed the definition of what a vaccine is, because it's not a vaccine and it didn't make people immune to anything.
There was no change. The definition of vaccine has remained the same in immunology textbooks since at least 2007, which was when I gave up searching for older editions. What happened was the definition was updated to reflect something immunology already defined that way.
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Death seems like a pretty long-term side effect.
Yeah, the injury rate for the COVID vaccine was really tiny, but again, you know all, and thus, references to things outside yourself probably won't move you.
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Or you can tell my non-verbal autistic grandson if you like. You can at least pretend like he trusts you.
Lol. You think vaccines caused the autism? That is idiotic.
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But I guess this is you inadvertently admitting your entire premise is based on who is elected president? Seems flimsy.
No, as in accountability wasn't an issue for the person who literally led the initial COVID response. Why would accountability be an issue for anyone else?
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As if the Hippocratic Oath is followed.
Oh okay.
Posted on 8/14/26 at 6:06 pm to crazy4lsu
They aid but just not going to make you feel at full strength within 2-3 days. None of them are cures.
I take Zertec D and it helps with the sneezing, coughing, watery eyes and runny nose.
I can tolerate the rest.
I take Zertec D and it helps with the sneezing, coughing, watery eyes and runny nose.
I can tolerate the rest.
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