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What does this board think of the First Step Act of 2018 aka Social Justice Act?
Posted on 11/29/23 at 3:01 pm
Posted on 11/29/23 at 3:01 pm
What is this board's opinion on the First Step Act signed into law in 2018, that was intended to "improve criminal justice outcomes", and to reduce the federal prison population.
Is it good law?
Was it effective and beneficial to the US?
Has it had any impact at all on the drastic rise in crime over the past 5 years?
Is it good law?
Was it effective and beneficial to the US?
Has it had any impact at all on the drastic rise in crime over the past 5 years?
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Posted on 11/29/23 at 3:03 pm to Fun Bunch
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improve criminal justice outcomes
For whom? This seems like a key question.
Posted on 11/29/23 at 3:04 pm to Fun Bunch
Is there any data anywhere purportedly showing what it has done?
Posted on 11/29/23 at 3:07 pm to Fun Bunch
Reforming the justice system in some key ways is very important. Particularly the federal judiciary system, in general.
The First Step Act was probably mostly useless. I know it was intended well, and obviously also outreach by Trump to the black community, but I doubt it's done anything meaningful.
The First Step Act was probably mostly useless. I know it was intended well, and obviously also outreach by Trump to the black community, but I doubt it's done anything meaningful.
Posted on 11/29/23 at 3:17 pm to BengalOnTheBay
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Reforming the justice system in some key ways is very important. Particularly the federal judiciary system, in general.
What makes you think the federal judiciary is in particular need for reform?
Posted on 11/29/23 at 3:20 pm to Fun Bunch
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What is this board's opinion on the First Step Act signed into law in 2018
Being tougher on crime made us safer. Also being tougher on crime made the right a viable alternative to the crime loving left. So naturally we gave away an advantage.
It was painful to see the 1994 Crime Bill being attacked from the right. It was also a painful reminder that Democrats cared about keeping people safe once upon a time. Now both sides seem to have sided with Soros on the issue.
Posted on 11/29/23 at 3:22 pm to Fun Bunch
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Has it had any impact at all on the drastic rise in crime over the past 5 years?
Analyzing the causes of crime and variations in crime rate is extremely difficult. There is an enormous number of variables.
Any analysis of the effects of a single factor that has changed must be done very carefully and without bias.
I’m afraid that something as politically charged as crime and criminal justice is nearly impossible to get good data and make a decent analysis.
Posted on 11/29/23 at 3:41 pm to Jimbeaux
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Any analysis of the effects of a single factor that has changed must be done very carefully and without bias.
13% of those released have been arrested since their release. That's a "single factor" we can respond to. Those are all crimes that wouldn't have been committed if those people were still in custody.
Posted on 11/29/23 at 3:42 pm to JoeHackett
Interesting stat.
Posted on 11/29/23 at 3:54 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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Is there any data anywhere purportedly showing what it has done?
it made a whole lot of people rich, so it did that
Posted on 11/29/23 at 3:54 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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Is there any data anywhere purportedly showing what it has done?
This is also what I'm wondering ^^^.
After 5 years, if there's actual positive evidence then you'd assume the proponents of the act would be touting it from the rooftops as a resounding success that can be built upon to further improve its efficacy and success.
5 years time should certainly show data of some form. Sounds like this might just been more pork to launder?
Posted on 11/29/23 at 4:44 pm to TigerAxeOK
Supporting the criminal at the expense of the victim is what gets urban areas in trouble.
Why is it racist to support the victim. The victim is usually a person of color as well.
Why is it racist to support the victim. The victim is usually a person of color as well.
Posted on 11/29/23 at 6:46 pm to JoeHackett
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13% of those released have been arrested since their release.
Let me start by saying I wholeheartedly disagree with the increased release rates, especially for violent crimes, because the particular risks of release of the individual and risks to any particular victim or the public in general is not considered at all. They are just going off of the charge, and ignoring the inherent violence posed because of the nature of the crime itself.
Nevertheless, your stat needs some background details.
Is that 13% for all crimes or just violent crimes?
How much of that is an increase from before the recent loosening of pretrial release conditions and bond amounts? Is it a big increase? Actually, I would have guess much higher.
Posted on 11/29/23 at 6:52 pm to Jimbeaux
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What makes you think the federal judiciary is in particular need for reform?
‘Cuz DC is a den of thieves?
Posted on 11/29/23 at 7:04 pm to JoeHackett
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13% of those released have been arrested since their release. That's a "single factor" we can respond to. Those are all crimes that wouldn't have been committed if those people were still in custody.
That means 87% of those released haven't been arrested since. Perhaps the majority of those have been rehabilitated and are now there with their families. The absence of parents is likely a key indicator for predicting future crimes. But it would take a pretty rigorous study to figure out the net effect of this and would probably take more than a few years of data. Just my opinion.
Posted on 11/29/23 at 7:05 pm to Fun Bunch
It was an attempt at "buying" black votes by Trump.
Bad idea then, and I said so, and it still is a bad idea.
Bad idea then, and I said so, and it still is a bad idea.
Posted on 11/29/23 at 10:36 pm to Jimbeaux
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Is that 13% for all crimes or just violent crimes?
It's for all crimes. You can read the annual report by the DOJ here
I misread the number earlier, it's actually 12.4%. According to the DOJ that number is lower than average but higher than last year.
Some of the more troubling numbers though are the percent of recidivism by people released from High security prisons (45%) and Medium security prisons (34%).
Posted on 11/30/23 at 12:22 am to Fun Bunch
IIRC the First Step Act was part of a package of things that Trump did or discussed that undermined his case for a national emergency - I think it was the one he declared after a long speech in the Rose Garden, about the border. My memory may be off, but that's my recollection.
Posted on 11/30/23 at 6:13 am to JoeHackett
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13% of those released have been arrested since their release. That's a "single factor" we can respond to. Those are all crimes that wouldn't have been committed if those people were still in custody.
So 87% haven’t?
And what, exactly, were those 13% arrested for?
How many people in total are you referencing?
1?, 5?, 20?, 100?, 1000?
I mean, when looking at the recidivism rate of released inmates, 13% seems incredibly small.
Posted on 11/30/23 at 6:14 am to Fun Bunch
Trump joined folks like Ye and JBE in supporting the act.
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