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What does it mean if Buzzfeed, NYTs and WaPo have a copy of the unredacted FISA warrant?
Posted on 8/13/18 at 8:19 am
Posted on 8/13/18 at 8:19 am
What are the implications?
Does it mean that the media is complicit in a cover up?
Does it mean that the media is complicit in a cover up?
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Posted on 8/13/18 at 8:20 am to GumboPot
Yes
Posted on 8/13/18 at 8:21 am to GumboPot
First, it would mean someone in the DOJ is in real trouble.
I wouldn't necessarily call them complicit but I wouldn't call them news agencies either.
I wouldn't necessarily call them complicit but I wouldn't call them news agencies either.
Posted on 8/13/18 at 8:23 am to Erin Go Bragh
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First, it would mean someone in the DOJ is in real trouble.
James Wolf is the guy who leaked it to Ali Watkins, while working for Buzzfeed.
Posted on 8/13/18 at 8:25 am to GumboPot
What if it is purposely a fake?
Posted on 8/13/18 at 8:29 am to GumboPot
IF they have an unredacted copy of the FISA warrant, AND they do not publish it, THEN it means that it is devastating to the DNC/MSM Political Complex cause.
Posted on 8/13/18 at 8:30 am to GumboPot
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James Wolf is the guy who leaked it to Ali Watkins, while working for Buzzfeed.
I understood there were improprieties involving the two but did not realize it included unredacted FISA application. Thanks.
Still, someone at Justice or the FBI would have had to pass it along to him. Would his former position have made him privy to such information?
Posted on 8/13/18 at 8:31 am to keks tadpole
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What if it is purposely a fake?
That would mean that Senator Warren and Senator Richard Burr on the Senate Intelligence Committee revived a fake FISA warrant from the DOJ. I don't believe they received a fake FISA warrant but I do believe it is possible that different investigative bodies received copies of the warrant with same content but different markers so if subsequent leaks occurred they could be back tracked.
Posted on 8/13/18 at 8:31 am to Gaspergou202
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IF they have an unredacted copy of the FISA warrant, AND they do not publish it, THEN it means that it is devastating to the DNC/MSM Political Complex cause.
Took several replies for someone to finally get this right.
Posted on 8/13/18 at 8:38 am to Gaspergou202
A few notes:
Supposedly the Senate Intel got an unredacted copy.
Its not fake, but the date was different (thats why oddly the date of the piece that was released had the date redacted). It was a strawman to see where the leaks were because they suspected stuff was coming out of that committee.
Wolfe wants senators to be called as witnesses PERHAPS he was directed to leak to the press by one of them???
Warner leaks like a sieve, as does Buzzfeed, and NYT (where the chick works now). If nothing has come out its OBVIOUS it is devastating to the DOJ.
And it is very spooky that the press would sit on the story of the century hoping they can get a president impeached, our press is stalinist in nature at this point. Without the internet they could have done it.
Supposedly the Senate Intel got an unredacted copy.
Its not fake, but the date was different (thats why oddly the date of the piece that was released had the date redacted). It was a strawman to see where the leaks were because they suspected stuff was coming out of that committee.
Wolfe wants senators to be called as witnesses PERHAPS he was directed to leak to the press by one of them???
Warner leaks like a sieve, as does Buzzfeed, and NYT (where the chick works now). If nothing has come out its OBVIOUS it is devastating to the DOJ.
And it is very spooky that the press would sit on the story of the century hoping they can get a president impeached, our press is stalinist in nature at this point. Without the internet they could have done it.
Posted on 8/13/18 at 8:45 am to Erin Go Bragh
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I understood there were improprieties involving the two but did not realize it included unredacted FISA application. Thanks.
It has not been confirmed. However, we do know for a fact that the unredacted FISA warrant was delivered to the Senate Intelligence Committee on March 17, 2017. On that same date James Wolf exchanged 82 text messages consisting of pictures to Ali Watkins. The FISA Warrant is 83 pages long with one page being blank.
Coincidence? Very high probability not.
Jame Wolf was charged with lying to the FBI. He was not charged with leaking. Did is strike a deal with the FBI?
Furthermore, in his trial Wolf's attorney's notified senators on the Senate Intelligence Committee that they may be requested to take the stand as a witness in Wolf's defense. Why? Because Wolf may have been instructed to leak the FISA warrant to the media (Ali Watkins).
Posted on 8/13/18 at 8:49 am to GumboPot
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That would mean that Senator Warren and Senator Richard Burr on the Senate Intelligence Committee revived a fake FISA warrant from the DOJ. I don't believe they received a fake FISA warrant but I do believe it is possible that different investigative bodies received copies of the warrant with same content but different markers so if subsequent leaks occurred they could be back tracked.
I think you should read this. Someone had dinner with Warner and Waldman on March 18th. FISA was leaked by SSCI the 17th right?
LINK
Posted on 8/13/18 at 8:55 am to GumboPot
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we do know for a fact that the unredacted FISA warrant was delivered to the Senate Intelligence Committee on March 17, 2017. On that same date James Wolf exchanged 82 text messages consisting of pictures to Ali Watkins. The FISA Warrant is 83 pages long with one page being blank.
Damn. It would take bill clinton like gall to explain that one away.
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Because Wolf may have been instructed to leak the FISA warrant to the media (Ali Watkins).
This is where I get lost. Any senator wanting the warrant to see the light of day is likely not to be a Democrat. Why have Wolfe leak to Watkins whose bosses may well sit on the document? There should have been other avenues available to a GOP senator.
If Wolfe leaked to Watkins, and you presented some great circumstantial evidence above, then it's likely he did it on his own.
Posted on 8/13/18 at 8:58 am to Erin Go Bragh
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First, it would mean someone in the DOJ is in real trouble.
Actually it means the SIC staffer that sent 82 texts (on the day the SIC got the FISA warrant) to his journalist girlfriend and the media are in cahoots. Funny thing is the FISA is exactly 82 pages.
Posted on 8/13/18 at 8:58 am to GumboPot
If they haven't disclosed it, it can't be good for the anti-Trump narrative.
Posted on 8/13/18 at 9:03 am to Erin Go Bragh
The issue is that if the media outlets do have it, then if they did dig into it they would find the circular narrative and the involvement of Fusion in March 2017. That would be a bitter pill to swallow and would require then backtracking on the narrative they pushed since Nov 2016. Safer to act like they don’t have it knowing that in the past these types of leaks are rarely discovered.
Bigger question would be how many other times has stuff like this happened over the years
Bigger question would be how many other times has stuff like this happened over the years
Posted on 8/13/18 at 9:04 am to GumboPot
Well, it means that some folks were "sloppy" in their handling of classified information, to put it mildly.
We call that "pulling a Hillary" now.
We call that "pulling a Hillary" now.
Posted on 8/13/18 at 9:07 am to GumboPot
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What are the implications?
Does it mean that the media is complicit in a cover up?
The media will (should) get gutted when it comes out they were getting paid to run certain stories and to sit on others. We know Fusion, Perkins Coie, etc paid media outlets but the devastating news will be that the US IC paid outlets to run anti-Trump propaganda.
Posted on 8/13/18 at 9:12 am to GumboPot
If that have it, and know its factual (unlike the dossier) and we haven't seen it, good news all around for Trump nation
Posted on 8/13/18 at 9:13 am to RobbBobb
If they have iy, then it’s time for Trump to release it
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