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re: What Crime did Tulsi accuse Obama of committing?
Posted on 7/26/25 at 10:30 am to antibarner
Posted on 7/26/25 at 10:30 am to antibarner
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Those bastards used their offices as a weapon.
If Trump tries this and loses, it will be Trump doing this and Obama's admin will be the vindicated victims. That's the point.
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Instead of a peaceful transition of power they determined that they would undermine the incoming Administration by any means necessary, and they used this phony scandal to do it.
Sure. That's besides the point of what we're discussing. We're discussing what can be done about it legally, and there isn't much.
And trying and failing will actually create that scandal for Trump/MAGA, at least in terms of politics (I don't think it will be considered criminal, but who knows once Trump sets that precedent).
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There has to be consequences for what they did.
The immunity case for Trump makes this unlikely
The statute of limitations makes it effectively impossible. The ship has sailed.
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Posted on 7/26/25 at 10:31 am to antibarner
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It's common sense
No. It's emotions.
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When criminals get away with criminal behavior, it only encourages them to repeat it.
They already got away with it. Not accepting that fact will only make it worse for you.
Posted on 7/26/25 at 10:34 am to SlowFlowPro
Using your logic we might as well do away with the entire criminal justice system at least as far as politicians are concerned. 
We do the right thing. Something foreign to your way of thinking.; Win or lose, we prosecute criminals.
If we can't lock them up, perhaps we can lighten their bank accounts by a considerable amount. Clearances can be pulled. Access can be denied. They can be hurt.
We do the right thing. Something foreign to your way of thinking.; Win or lose, we prosecute criminals.
If we can't lock them up, perhaps we can lighten their bank accounts by a considerable amount. Clearances can be pulled. Access can be denied. They can be hurt.
This post was edited on 7/26/25 at 10:39 am
Posted on 7/26/25 at 10:39 am to antibarner
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Using your logic we might as well do away with the entire criminal justice system at least as far as politicians are concerned.
We do the right thing. Something foreign to your way of thinking.; Win or lose, we prosecute criminals.
If we can't lock them up, perhaps we canlighten their bank accounts by a considerable amount. Clearances can be pulled. Access can be denied. They can be hurt.
They didn't get away with it entirely. They lost the election despite all their efforts. Trump is dismantling their slush funds and deporting their future voting base. Congratulations, take the W.
Posted on 7/26/25 at 11:09 am to SlowFlowPro
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And? That investigation was by the Trump admin, not Obama admin.
Sounds like You’ve completely forgotten how that investigation went for 22 months plus an impeachment over Ukraine later on
No need to continue this discussion with you…
Clearly you have it all figured out
Posted on 7/26/25 at 11:10 am to antibarner
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Using your logic we might as well do away with the entire criminal justice system
No
That's not what my logic says. You do know the normal criminal justice system has concepts like the SOL and immunity too, right?
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Win or lose, we prosecute criminals.
Even when done illegally? How is doing something illegal the "right thing"?
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If we can't lock them up, perhaps we can lighten their bank accounts by a considerable amount.
The "right thing" boys and girls
Posted on 7/26/25 at 11:12 am to ApexTiger
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Sounds like You’ve completely forgotten how that investigation went for 22 months plus an impeachment over Ukraine later on
The Ukraine impeachment has literally nothing to do with Russiagate
And it sounds like you've completely forgotten how the investigation started. Was it by the Obama or Trump DOJ? Hint, as I said, it was the Trump DOJ.
You can't impute the actions of the Trump DOJ to the Obama administration that was out of office, unless you want to argue Jeff Sessions was secretly plotting with the Obama admin during Russiagate, only to pull the secret double cross on Trump a few months later with the SC he appointed. See how insane that is?
Well, you did think that the Ukraine impeachment was somehow related so maybe that explains it.
Posted on 7/26/25 at 11:13 am to SlowFlowPro
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See how insane that is?
That's exactly what most people think happened.
Posted on 7/26/25 at 11:31 am to Wednesday
Sedition.
Conspiracy.
Lying before Congress (not necessarily Obama) but certainly his henchmen.
I suppose, given the oath to defend against enemies both foreign and domestic, that could be spun into treason if the domestic enemies could be clearly defined and positively identified-that seems unlikely as it would encompass much of the MSM, half of Congress, and much of the federal judiciary.
Conspiracy.
Lying before Congress (not necessarily Obama) but certainly his henchmen.
I suppose, given the oath to defend against enemies both foreign and domestic, that could be spun into treason if the domestic enemies could be clearly defined and positively identified-that seems unlikely as it would encompass much of the MSM, half of Congress, and much of the federal judiciary.
Posted on 7/26/25 at 5:09 pm to Wednesday
Fox News put this charge out for Brennan, Comey, Clapper.
I didn't catch further charges. I imagine there could be others.
But this is 10 years at I hope Leavenworth.
I didn't catch further charges. I imagine there could be others.
But this is 10 years at I hope Leavenworth.
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Conspiracy to defraud the United States is punishable by fines or imprisonment. If two or more persons conspire to defraud the United States, each person shall be fined or imprisoned not more than five years, or both. If a person enters into any agreement, combination, or conspiracy to defraud the United States by obtaining or aiding to obtain the payment or allowance of any false, fictitious or fraudulent claim, they shall be fined or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both. Defrauding the federal government can also be considered a federal crime under 18 U.S.C § 371.
Posted on 7/26/25 at 5:11 pm to cajunangelle
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by obtaining or aiding to obtain the payment or allowance of any false, fictitious or fraudulent claim
What was the "payment or allowance"?
Posted on 7/26/25 at 5:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Which ones, exactly? That's the point of OP. There isn't a good fit.
And that's ignoring the immunity issues and SOL.
You're the Peej of the poliboard
Posted on 7/26/25 at 5:29 pm to Strannix
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You're the Peej of the poliboard
Uh, no.
The question remains.
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Which ones, exactly? That's the point of OP. There isn't a good fit.
And that's ignoring the immunity issues and SOL.
Posted on 7/27/25 at 2:41 am to SlowFlowPro
Low rent divorce lawyers are low rent for a reason, as we can all see right now.
Posted on 7/27/25 at 4:12 am to Wednesday
Surely one could argue that the spirit of the definition would include or was intended to include the modern definition.
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Dictionary
Definitions from Oxford Languages
noun
the crime of betraying one's country, especially by attempting to kill the sovereign or overthrow the government.
Posted on 7/27/25 at 6:09 am to SlowFlowPro
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Jeff Sessions was secretly plotting with the Obama admin during Russiagate,
Correct me if I am wrong but the only thing Jeff Sessions actually did was recuse himself the damage was done by one Rod MF Rosenstein, it was he that actually named Bob Mueller.
There's your career snake in the grass. Everyone's mad at Sessions for pussing out allowing Rosensnake free reign
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Deputy Attorney General Rod J. Rosenstein today announced the appointment of former Department of Justice official and FBI Director Robert S. Mueller III to serve as Special Counsel to oversee the previously-confirmed FBI investigation of Russian government efforts to influence the 2016 presidential election and related matters.
If Mueller wasn't a pudding brain like Biden he should be locked up for dragging the country through the mess he did. A fair minded man knew in less then a week what he was looking into was a lie. Instead he set loose a pack of highly partisan alleged investigators and they still couldn't get Trump. Rosenstein knew better he's the cause of it all and another one that should be looked into.
This post was edited on 7/27/25 at 6:33 am
Posted on 7/27/25 at 6:44 am to antibarner
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Correct me if I am wrong but the only thing Jeff Sessions actually did was recuse himself the damage was done by one Rod MF Rosenstein, it was he that actually named Bob Mueller.
I don't think that version would get much criticism, but that "breaks" the conspiracy. Now you could say it could create a new one, sure, but that doesn't do the people trying to create a version of history where this continuous conspiracy continued (some say through the Biden administration).
I'll put it this way. How could Rod Rosenstein be conspiring with Obama, et al in one conspiracy if he came into the picture through parties not in the conspiracy (Sessions, Trump, etc)?
Now, if Sessions was in on it? He's in the conspiracy that the original conspiracy continued.
Posted on 7/27/25 at 6:44 am to LSUbest
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Surely one could argue that the spirit of the definition would include or was intended to include the modern definition.
Not in a court of law. One could not.
Posted on 7/27/25 at 6:45 am to David Fellows
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Low rent divorce lawyers are low rent for a reason, as we can all see right now.
People use ad homs when they can't or won't answer. I wonder why
Posted on 7/27/25 at 6:48 am to SlowFlowPro
A trailer park divorce attorney is now an expert in UCMJ? Who could have seen this coming? Only the self proclaimed smartest man in the room. 
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