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re: What Crime did Tulsi accuse Obama of committing?

Posted on 7/26/25 at 9:04 am to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/26/25 at 9:04 am to
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The ultimate crime is not obeying Trump. The other crime, which is just as heinous, is saying or suggesting something bad about Trump.


That's as dumb as the treason talk
Posted by antibarner
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Posted on 7/26/25 at 9:33 am to
Was Richard Nixon immune for his actions in Watergate? WHY did he need a pardon from Gerald Ford?

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n terms of PR, this would be devastating for Trump if the DOJ did this to Obama and Obama quickly disposed of the case due to obvious immunity


Posted by SidewalkDawg
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Posted on 7/26/25 at 9:41 am to
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Was Richard Nixon immune for his actions in Watergate? WHY did he need a pardon from Gerald Ford?


Ford pardoned Nixon to spare the country from going through the circus we've seen the past 8 years.
Posted by antibarner
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Posted on 7/26/25 at 9:42 am to
A case can be built using defendants own statements at various times on intent. Obama himself saying Donald Trump Would NEVER be President.

Peter Strzok's e mails about stopping Trump from becoming President.

Jim Comey on video crowing about setting up General Flynn.

There's much more out there.
Posted by antibarner
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Posted on 7/26/25 at 9:44 am to
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Was Richard Nixon immune for his actions in Watergate? WHY did he need a pardon from Gerald Ford?


Ford pardoned Nixon to spare the country from going through the circus we've seen the past 8 years.


WHY would he need a pardon at all if he was immune? There couldn't BE a circus if Nixon couldn't be prosecuted.
Posted by SidewalkDawg
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Posted on 7/26/25 at 9:51 am to
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Obama himself saying Donald Trump Would NEVER be President.


Opinion

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Peter Strzok's e mails about stopping Trump from becoming President.


Not enough, comment was made during an election cycle (Aug of 2016) and it would be argued that Strzok was referring to stopping Trump through the normal election process. Show me his actions that were unlawful.

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Jim Comey on video crowing about setting up General Flynn.


Comey didn't crow about setting up Flynn. He admitted that he sent two FBI agents to interview flynn and confessed he wouldn't have been able to get away with that under Obama or Bush. But this doens't mean he was "Setting Flynn Up". Again, where is the proof of intent to harm.
Posted by SidewalkDawg
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Posted on 7/26/25 at 9:55 am to
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WHY would he need a pardon at all if he was immune? There couldn't BE a circus if Nixon couldn't be prosecuted.


Because the media and political opposition would have had a field day with "investigations" and "shocking intel leaks"... It's like you haven't been alive and watching the news since 2016...

Plus presidential immunity wasn’t clearly established in 1974, so the pardon stopped the politicking and aligned with Ford’s goal of national healing.
Posted by antibarner
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Posted on 7/26/25 at 10:00 am to
Nothing would be proof for you.

But here's the thing Leghumper. They don't have to prove it to you., Just a jury. That jury may not think like you.

I can assure you most reasonable people won't think what Peter Strzok said
in an official FBI E mail had anything to do with the election cycle.

And when Comey made a confession he wouldn't have been able to get away with what he did to Flynn that reeked of set up..

Obama saying Trump would never be President....debatable...

There;s all kinds of stuff out there they can point to as to intent. The Internet is forever.
Posted by antibarner
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Posted on 7/26/25 at 10:04 am to
Nixon was gone. I guarantee you with the frenzy the media had whipped up and the vendetta the Democrats were on had a Pardon not been issued...there would have been at least an attempt to prosecute Nixon.

Yoiu yourself admit Presidential immunity wasn't clearly established at the time. proving my point. Had they prosecuted Tricky Dick, Obama would really be in Trouble today.
Posted by MontanaTiger
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Posted on 7/26/25 at 10:07 am to
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More seditious conspiracy than treason, but why mince words? Obama and everyone who participated should hang. Fukem.


This is the correct answer.
Posted by SidewalkDawg
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Posted on 7/26/25 at 10:08 am to
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Nothing would be proof for you.


Actual proof would be enough for me. Right now you have opinionated statements (strzok and obama) and possibly biased but still procedurally correct actions (Comey's Interview).

If this is all they have, then I hate to break it to you, but you are going to be deeply disappointed.
Posted by antibarner
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Posted on 7/26/25 at 10:14 am to
The country got put through Hell by people that came to alleged conclusions with a lot less proof. They had NOTHING connecting Trump to any damned Russians and they put the nation through years of it.

Hamstrung Trump's first Administration tried to lock the man up raided his home hell may even have tried to kill him.

Appointed a Special Counsel and lied to a FISA Court based on nothing.

There has to be consequences.
This post was edited on 7/26/25 at 10:17 am
Posted by SidewalkDawg
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Posted on 7/26/25 at 10:16 am to
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The country got put through Hell by people that came to alleged conclusions with a lot less proof. They had NOTHING connecting Trump to any damned Russians and they put the nation through years of it.


I agree. Let's not repeat that mistake.
Posted by antibarner
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Posted on 7/26/25 at 10:17 am to
Sorry, but a monstrous thing has been done. You agree they put the country through Hell based on lies.

They have to pay for it.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/26/25 at 10:18 am to
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Nixon was gone. I guarantee you with the frenzy the media had whipped up and the vendetta the Democrats were on had a Pardon not been issued...there would have been at least an attempt to prosecute Nixon.

Sure. As he said, the entire point of the pardon was to avoid that.

What y'all are missing is the "why" involved, and how that relates to the Russiagate issue.

Prosecuting political opponents and losing would become the scandal y'all are projecting Russiagate to be.

Posted by David Fellows
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Posted on 7/26/25 at 10:21 am to
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Which enemy state was aided?


You.

You're the enemy.

It's a shame Biden built all those camps for us. now we're gonna use them for you.
Posted by antibarner
Member since Oct 2009
26725 posts
Posted on 7/26/25 at 10:23 am to
Those bastards used their offices as a weapon. Instead of a peaceful transition of power they determined that they would undermine the incoming Administration by any means necessary, and they used this phony scandal to do it.

That's not even debatable. There was no Russian anything. They knew it. They pounded away and some are still selling the lie.

There has to be consequences for what they did.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 7/26/25 at 10:25 am to
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The country got put through Hell by people that came to alleged conclusions with a lot less proof.


The standards for intelligence and criminal conviction are very different, yes.

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There has to be consequences.

This emotional-led vengeance stuff is so weird to me.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 7/26/25 at 10:26 am to
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You.

You're the enemy.

That's dumb, on multiple levels

Highly intelligent and productive people who believe in freedom are the enemy? Who do you consider your friends?

But certainly isn't treason.
Posted by antibarner
Member since Oct 2009
26725 posts
Posted on 7/26/25 at 10:30 am to
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This emotional-led vengeance stuff is so weird to me.


It's common sense, When criminals get away with criminal behavior, it only encourages them to repeat it.Why do we prosecute crimes counselor?

This post was edited on 7/26/25 at 10:31 am
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