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re: What are your reasons for believing climate change is "a hoax"

Posted on 3/7/18 at 3:58 pm to
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
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Posted on 3/7/18 at 3:58 pm to


This thread is great.

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Powerman


Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 3/7/18 at 3:59 pm to
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Let me know when you're ready for the accompanying technical discussion.
I can’t wait! I’m in.
Posted by SleauxPlay
Here and there
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Posted on 3/7/18 at 4:01 pm to
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How did you post this response from your dramatically slow down internet caused by net neutrality?


Huh?
Posted by SleauxPlay
Here and there
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 3/7/18 at 4:02 pm to
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Wait, isn't this the TTWAAVAPTESFA Board?

Anyone looking for rational discussion regarding the climate on this board is on a fool's errand.



You can apply that to most topics here. Every once in a while there's a decent discussion on economic topics. If science is remotely related, it's time to run for the hills.
Posted by CFDoc
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 3/7/18 at 4:05 pm to
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If science is remotely related, it's time to run for the hills.


Wish that were different.

It's a fairly easy and logical walk down the scientific path to show that climate models are vastly oversold and vastly underwhelming. Too bad there's 32 pages of bullshite mixed in the fray.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 3/7/18 at 4:14 pm to
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This thread is great.

Conspiracy theories are always fun.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 3/7/18 at 4:14 pm to
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climate models are vastly oversold and vastly underwhelming

I'd have to agree with this. But then I also believe the conspiracy theories are similarly oversold and underwhelming.

All of that said, there could actually be AGW, but the burden of proof is on those who make the claim. Unfortunately, if it actually does exist, our technology may not advance quickly enough to prove it before it's too late to do anything about it except flee the coasts.

But I never thought Climatology would make so many people so emotional.

Is it getting hot in here, or is it just me?
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 3/7/18 at 4:16 pm to
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Is it getting hot in here, or is it just me?

It's hot. Just not hot enough to melt steel beams.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
63320 posts
Posted on 3/7/18 at 4:16 pm to
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Wish that were different.
Me too. I actually tried to have actual tech discussions when I started posting. But it didn’t take long to understand that wasn’t going to be a very productive approach. Too many just aren’t capable of it. Hey canny even populate the energy balance much less get into boundary conditions, residuals, sensitivity analysis or flow models.

Stochcastics and non-continuous state variables (my specialty) are waaay out of reach. Look elsewhere. We’re just “conspiracy theorists” over here.
This post was edited on 3/7/18 at 4:17 pm
Posted by AUsteriskPride
Albuquerque, NM
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 3/7/18 at 4:18 pm to
Has anyone argued climate change is a "hoax"? I think almost everyone agrees the climate is, and has always, constantly changed. I apologize that there are people that questioned "man-made" global warming with a mouthpiece of the likes of Al Gore.
Posted by CFDoc
Member since Jan 2013
2280 posts
Posted on 3/7/18 at 4:19 pm to
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Look elsewhere.


Yep.

Too bad though.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
63320 posts
Posted on 3/7/18 at 4:20 pm to
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our technology may not advance quickly enough to prove it
The modeling tech already exists. It’s “difficult” to model, because it’s chasing a causality that doesn’t exist. As one of my mentors one noted “if you’re struggling to model something, it’s probably your model that’s broke, not the real world.”
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 3/7/18 at 4:21 pm to
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We’re just “conspiracy theorists” over here.

Well you are. You might not realize it though.
Posted by MrCarton
Paradise Valley, MT
Member since Dec 2009
20231 posts
Posted on 3/7/18 at 4:24 pm to
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tl;dr That's not how this works



ok, school me. I will absolutely read any information you have on the mechanics of research funding. Go for it.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 3/7/18 at 4:26 pm to
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Well you are. You might not realize it though.


we've already established that you don't personally possess the skills to evaluate any of his arguments

You're basically just a burger flipper standing behind a scientist saying yeah yeah yeah
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
63320 posts
Posted on 3/7/18 at 4:31 pm to
Let’s face it. It’s much easier to shout “conspiracy theorist” than defend a IPCC model.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
173654 posts
Posted on 3/7/18 at 4:31 pm to
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You're basically just a burger flipper standing behind a scientist saying yeah yeah yeah

And you're a burger flipper standing behind some idiots on a message board and doing the same thing.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
63320 posts
Posted on 3/7/18 at 4:31 pm to
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Well you are.
weak. I’ll be happy to hear your take on circulation errors caused by poor grid scaling in the GCM any time you like.

Until you can demonstrate some ability to discuss the issue intelligently, I’m going to presume it’s actuallu you blindly buying into other’s theories.
This post was edited on 3/7/18 at 4:38 pm
Posted by Lg
Hayden, Alabama
Member since Jul 2011
8608 posts
Posted on 3/7/18 at 4:32 pm to
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Well you are.


So what is the conspiracy? What's the end game if deniers are the conspirators?
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 3/7/18 at 4:36 pm to
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The modeling tech already exists

Not really, not to the resolution they need.

And without searching for context, Ill just re-post what was posted earlier:

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Given that the current generation of global climate models represents the Earth in terms of grid-points spaced roughly 200 km apart, many features observed on smaller scales, such as individual cloud systems and cloud geometry, are not explicitly resolved.

And this...
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As one of my mentors one noted “if you’re struggling to model something, it’s probably your model that’s broke, not the real world.”

...doesn't seem to support your point. Perhaps if he had said, "It's probably your hypothesis that's broke." then that would've supported your point better.
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