re: What are your reasons for believing climate change is "a hoax"

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It's not a hoax.

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So why are you arguing with me?

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I notice that you spent a lot of effort there, but made no attempt to rebut the FACT

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Here's your rebuttal: your FACT is inaccurate. There is no drive to produce certain results over others in these studies - they would be funded either way.

And if someone could conclusively prove that the earth was not warming to the degree which all the evidence says it is, they would be well-funded at the lab of their choice until retirement.

So, in reality, the monetary incentive is the opposite of your hypothetical.

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So why are you arguing with me?

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If you read my entire post, you would see that I'm fleshing out the discussion. I wouldn't call that arguing.

I mean, you can focus entirely on the ends of the spectrum if you like..........but, I'm kind of a meat and potatoes guy

Again, if you want discussion, address Ace Midnight's post on page 5.

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Here's your rebuttal: your FACT is inaccurate

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Well this is just false.

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There is no drive to produce certain results over others in these studies - they would be funded either way.

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And this is also just demonstrably false.

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And if someone could conclusively prove that the earth was not warming to the degree which all the evidence says it is, they would be well-funded at the lab of their choice until retirement.

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They better do that original proof on their own dime cause ain't no one gonna fund it. And, if they do "prove" it.......they'll simply be shunned...........that again is unassailable fact.

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So, in reality, the monetary incentive is the opposite of your hypothetical.

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You're not actually this stupid, so I know you're just lying.

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The bolded part is normal as long as the results aren't faked or hidden.

Science trying to constantly prove itself wrong is how you build solid scientific theory.

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Agreed, but that's not what they're doing.

What they're doing is trying to prove themselves RIGHT by trying to prove that the data is wrong or the experiment didn't work correctly.

Science also relies upon experiments that can be replicated and proven by working them forward and backward. That isn't happening.

As a previous poster stated, the models upon which a large portion of this climate change theory is based can't get it right even when fed concrete historical data, yet I'm supposed to accept that their theories are correct based upon what those models predict for the future?

The man-made climate change believers are like parents who believe their child is brilliant when every bit of objective evidence (grades, behavior, lack of success) points to the contrary.

BTW, if sea level rise predictions from the 1990s had come true, Manhattan would be under about 5 feet of water by now. I have a family member who was there last month. Still pretty dry. Ted Danson told me back in the 1990s that our oceans would be dead by now. Pretty much EVERY prediction in Al Gore's stupid mockumentary has not even come close to becoming reality.

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I believe bamaatl is a woman.

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Heaven forbid we let them share opinions here

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You're a pretty smart guy

Why would you want to be on the losing side of the argument like all of the right wing dullards in here?

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What do you mean "losing side"?

I think the fact you just portrayed the discussion as having a "winning side" kinda illustrates my point.

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Can you acknowledge that conservatives have some things completely wrong?

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Yup. For example. Most conservatives support the death penalty. I say they're wrong.

A lot of conservatives think that there's some organized cabal seeking to just create a massive lie around climate change..........I say they're wrong.

None of that negates my post.

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This is not true - here's a study from Nature that showed a causal relationship

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This is the problem - you think you know the answers, but you aren't even capable of doing basic research on the subject.

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And more importantly they aren't even capable of stepping back for a moment to consider the possibility that they might be wrong.

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Well this is just false.

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You are incorrect.

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And this is also just demonstrably false.

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Again, you're wrong.

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They better do that original proof on their own dime cause ain't no one gonna fund it.

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Yeah, fossil fuel companies have NEVER funded studies to contradict global warming.

Not ever.

(you're embarrassing yourself)