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re: What are those flashes coming from the separated payload package from the balloon?
Posted on 2/4/23 at 4:47 pm to UAinSOUTHAL
Posted on 2/4/23 at 4:47 pm to UAinSOUTHAL
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We could have received and studied it instead it goes in the ocean where recovery is uncertain.
Part of the plan.
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Posted on 2/4/23 at 5:07 pm to AggieHank86
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FFS, they shot it down over the ocean.
Yesterday, the entire forum was clamoring for the military to down the damned thing while it was still floating over CONUS.
You mean yesterday before the the thing had finished collecting and transmitting all the data? If it was an intelligence gathering platform, its job was done when they brought it down over the Atlantic. It seems better to you to let it finish its mission and then bring it down when the Chinese don't care about it anymore and it makes it look like joe took decisive action? Sounds like this is a win/win for both joe and China. Bringing it down over Montana would have only given the Chinese 1/3 of the data they have now. The only good result from this is the Chinese embassy sending another hooker over to hunter for the evening to show their appreciation.
Posted on 2/4/23 at 5:16 pm to ChineseBandit58
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- did they have some demolition charges on board to destroy all hardware??
- just pieces flaking off the wreckage??
What I think I saw was the balloon deflate and start to fall, then a charge went off (big puff of smoke) which allowed the platform to fall away from the balloon. As the platform fell there were 6 or 7 puffs of smoke which were probably small charges going off to destroy the electronics and sensors.
Posted on 2/4/23 at 5:34 pm to LakeCharles
NORAD knew it was coming. Take it out before the Aleutian Islands.
Instead, have Joe command to shoot it down, but military fears collateral damage. Gives cover for CCP to collect intel and send back to China.
Joe is compromised. CCP wanted to get this done while Joe was still in office. Gen Milley said that he would warn CCP before Trump took any action against them.
TREASON.
Instead, have Joe command to shoot it down, but military fears collateral damage. Gives cover for CCP to collect intel and send back to China.
Joe is compromised. CCP wanted to get this done while Joe was still in office. Gen Milley said that he would warn CCP before Trump took any action against them.
TREASON.
Posted on 2/5/23 at 1:04 pm to ChineseBandit58
New member. I spent 20 years in the military (U.S. Army). A portion of my duties included the identification & collection of intelligence regarding 'unknowns' and first seen ordnance, including foreign weapon systems.
1. Most likely sunlight reflecting off of the solar panel array that is the usual power source.
2. Given the purported use of the balloon, it is entirely feasible that a self-destruct sequence could have been initiated. However, an explosively actuated self-destruct mechanism would only serve to bolster U.S. justification in shooting the craft down. Weather balloons do not have an explosive self-destruct system because there is no need for said system/device.
3. I have to doubt any strafing by the interceptors. This would undoubtedly damage the signal and/or image capturing devices that would have been employed as part of the payload package. The Navy will have enough of an arduous task attempting to retrieve what may remains of the package. 60K feet (18K+ meters) is over 11 miles (18+km) up! The package would have built up a significant descent velocity before hitting the water.
1. Most likely sunlight reflecting off of the solar panel array that is the usual power source.
2. Given the purported use of the balloon, it is entirely feasible that a self-destruct sequence could have been initiated. However, an explosively actuated self-destruct mechanism would only serve to bolster U.S. justification in shooting the craft down. Weather balloons do not have an explosive self-destruct system because there is no need for said system/device.
3. I have to doubt any strafing by the interceptors. This would undoubtedly damage the signal and/or image capturing devices that would have been employed as part of the payload package. The Navy will have enough of an arduous task attempting to retrieve what may remains of the package. 60K feet (18K+ meters) is over 11 miles (18+km) up! The package would have built up a significant descent velocity before hitting the water.
This post was edited on 2/5/23 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 2/5/23 at 1:15 pm to Kristoph
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New member. I spent 20 years in the military (U.S. Army). A portion of my duties included the identification & collection of intelligence regarding 'unknowns' and first seen ordnance, including foreign weapon systems.
Then maybe you have some insight on what we consider to be "space", where the satellites roam and at what point the altitude of any craft is deemed to be in our "air space".
There seems to be some confusion regarding this.
Posted on 2/5/23 at 1:16 pm to AggieHank86
Montana is extremely urban!!
Posted on 2/5/23 at 1:19 pm to DeltaTigerDelta
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What are those flashes coming from the separated payload package from the balloon?
Self destructive explosives.
Posted on 2/5/23 at 1:39 pm to Kristoph
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New member
Well done - welcome aboard - looking forward to your participation -
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sunlight reflecting off of the solar panel array
yep. - most likely answer -
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self-destruct sequence
this is the thought that prompted my post - when I first saw the TV image, it looked to me like the payload destruction was the initial 'hit' of whatever was shot at it. There was a straight line trajectory of debris going out to the right and slightly upwards - and almost simultaneously (in the video) the balloon begins to collapse
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strafing by the interceptor
I would have figured they would strafe the balloon and hopefully get a more slow descent speed to give a better chance of a soft landing to preserve the contents for analysis. But the horizontal ejection of material from the payload is what prompted me to make this post
quote:which is another reason not to cut it loose from the balloon - having the deflated balloon attached would not only slow the descent but be a flag as to its whereabouts.
The package would have built up a significant descent velocity before hitting the water.
However, most likely the CCP would have a detonation device incorporated to destroy the hardware in such an instance - but I don't understand how a detonation device would produce the horizontal ejection of material.
Still have not heard any discussion of what caused that.
thank you for your service
This post was edited on 2/5/23 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 2/5/23 at 1:46 pm to LookSquirrel
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what we consider to be "space", where the satellites roam and at what point the altitude of any craft is deemed to be in our "air space".
There seems to be some confusion regarding this.
"space" was considered to be above 400,000 ft - back in the early days pre-space-station anyway.
We have military aircraft that get to 60,000 easily
Certainly if a balloon can float there, it is not 'space' regardless of the number.
I think we had an F-4 Phantom take a photo of a Shuttle configuration during launch at above that altitude at one point.
This post was edited on 2/5/23 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 2/5/23 at 1:48 pm to AggieHank86
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FFS, they shot it down over the ocean.
It was the wrong ocean.
Once it entered US airspace, it had to come down.
How can you defend the total incompetence of the Biden regime?
Posted on 2/5/23 at 2:00 pm to ChineseBandit58
Trump allowed 3 such balloons in his presidency.
Posted on 2/5/23 at 2:15 pm to ChineseBandit58
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Would we try to shoot down an unknown missile coming toward our airspace??
Good question. Our military today is pretty fricked up. I would imagine they would just track it and shoot it down over a large body of water if they can. I doubt if they would shoot it down over land, they will just track until it wipes out a base if its over land. Probably the same scenario as the balloon which means we would be toast.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 10:23 am to LookSquirrel
The Kármán Line: Or about 60 miles up is the usual point accepted by NASA and the U.S. Military as the division between atmosphere and space. Of course, there will be debate over this 'line' by other countries.
This post was edited on 2/6/23 at 10:26 am
Posted on 2/6/23 at 10:39 am to lsufan31
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Trump allowed 3 such balloons in his presidency.
Link to dates and locations?
Posted on 2/6/23 at 11:23 am to jlc05
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Trump allowed 3 such balloons in his presidency.
Link to dates and locations?
Didn't happen. It was made up bullshite from "anonymous sources" hoping to get TDS morons to parrot it. They did. It was so obviously false that they are already walking it back.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 11:47 am to NC_Tigah
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If they tried, they're too stupid to be gun owners. More likely to take out Santa Claus.
Too late.
In my defense, he was wearing Commie Red and redistributing gifts (aka, wealth) across the entire planet.
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