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re: What am I missing here regarding vaccines?
Posted on 2/24/23 at 1:37 pm to Crimson1st
Posted on 2/24/23 at 1:37 pm to Crimson1st
Crimson1st,
Scott Adams (Dilbert) say the anti-vaxxers won.
The twitters
Scott Adams (Dilbert) say the anti-vaxxers won.
The twitters
This post was edited on 2/24/23 at 1:38 pm
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Posted on 2/24/23 at 1:43 pm to Crimson1st
quote:
Do the shots work or not?
A lot of conflict about this superficially centers around this question with people implicitly disagreeing about what it means for a vaccine to "work". What the public health community considers an effective vaccine is something that reduces relative risk of harm and may do this a number of ways including reduce risk of infection, transmission, morbidity, mortality, and ultimately prevalence of the pathogen. They consider the durability of the effect. The more of these a vaccine does and the bigger the risk reduction and the more durable these are in these domains, the better a public health intervention it is.
This post was edited on 2/25/23 at 7:23 am
Posted on 2/24/23 at 1:49 pm to Crimson1st
Here is something else you pass on to your brother.
ZeroHedge
ZeroHedge
quote:
Natural immunity, or postinfection immunity, provided 76 percent protection against COVID-19-associated hospitalizations while Omicron was the dominant virus strain in the country, the researchers found.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 3:44 pm to jp4lsu
quote:
Here is something else you pass on to your brother.
He's not going to listen. It's pissing up a rope.
There's a problem that a lot of us have, which is presuming the people we're communicating with have the same lens through which we view and evaluate facts, new information, etc. Because any of us are logical, we presume the other person is logical, especially when they're men. However, how many threads are there on why we just don't understand why our girlfriends/wives/ex-wives "don't get it?"
How else do we explain MDs on TV talking about how they don't understand why anyone is asking questions about natural immunity when there are vaccines? The stupid burned through at least eight years of scientific training, and decades of experience, because the end justifies the means.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 6:12 pm to jp4lsu
Thanks for the replies and info guys!
Posted on 2/24/23 at 7:26 pm to Crimson1st
It'll make more sense when you understand there is no virus and the test is not testing for a virus. Ofcourse the vax doesn't work, there's nothing to work on. This does not mean people don't "get sick", they do, but I personally believe colds/flus are just the body detoxing. Many things can trigger a detox, like FEAR.
The test is just picking up dead cell debris and amplifying it. If it's a big detox, there'll be more "load" to start the process, less cycles to reach the threshold set. It's a con 100%. The fake virus is confirmed with a bs test calibrated to give the desired results. The shots were never for anyone's benefit who took them. Efficacy my aching arse. These mofos are evil.
The test is just picking up dead cell debris and amplifying it. If it's a big detox, there'll be more "load" to start the process, less cycles to reach the threshold set. It's a con 100%. The fake virus is confirmed with a bs test calibrated to give the desired results. The shots were never for anyone's benefit who took them. Efficacy my aching arse. These mofos are evil.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 7:31 pm to Crimson1st
Dear diary…
Posted on 2/24/23 at 7:33 pm to Crimson1st
quote:Yes
Do the shots work or not?
quote:Not true. He should be more protected from extreme outcomes than if he were unvaxxed, but he can still get it. Same thing with flu shots (which you should be getting him also.) Flu shots are basically an anti-viral - they hopefully protect you from getting it, but in the case you DO still get it, it should be pretty attenuated.
my Dad is vaxxed to the hilt and should not be getting Covid,
quote:I agree that your vax status shouldn't matter that much with regard to your dad's situation.
but my lack of “vax” simply should not dictate any efficacy of the shots he has taken.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 7:36 pm to Crimson1st
I am unvaccinated. I had Covid in August of 2021. I have been exposed numerous times since my recovery but did not get reinfected. My most recent exposure was in December. My vaxxed and boosted co-worker got it for the second time. Same goes for my 80 year old parents. They are unvaccinated and have only had it once.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 7:37 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:
Yes
Only because we’ve dumbed down the definition of “worked”.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 7:39 pm to Crimson1st
quote:
Ok so I am my elderly father’s primary care taker . Yesterday he and I were diagnosed with Covid for the second time(first was almost a year ago on Feb 2022). I am absolutely NOT “vaccinated “ yet my Dad is. totally boosted up, the whole 9 yards and I really never had a problem with him getting them as he would be in a true risk of complications from Covid and he only has so many years left anyway to grapple with any negative consequences from taking the shots.
So I called my extreme leftist brother to give him an overview of the situation. He listened then went into some non-coherent emotional outburst about the vaccines and digging into me for not taking them, blah blah. I told him I wasn’t shooting that shite up into my veins and that was the hill I would die on. I cut him off after a little bit and said we would just have to settle to disagree on this. The gaslighting the left gives its adherents is astonishing. Even to this date. I said the “vaccines” have long been shown to hardly have any efficacy, and I wasn’t about to take any.
I parted ways on the call by saying to him that the left goes on about Nazi Germany but this shot BS is about as Nazi as it gets…and finally I dropped the mic and said “my body, my choice” then hung up.
I think we're at the point where most people know the MRNA juice is marginally beneficial for a small segment of the population, the rest of the people who are still defending the vaccine insanity are either embarrassed for defending and pushing the vaccine or they are so mind fricked by the pro vaccine propaganda they are unreachable.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 7:42 pm to EKG
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But you ended up doing so. Once he initiated his “non-coherent emotional outburst”—that should’ve been your cue to end the call.
I’ve learnt many left-leaning folks are feeling extremely defensive about their actions related to Covid. They’ve politicized the issue of civil rights to the point there’s little to no possibility of holding a rational conversation with ‘em.
One of the characteristics of Groomers that I've noticed over the past 6-7 years is their inability to separate their Woke emotion from stark reality.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 7:43 pm to GumboPot
mRNA "vaccines" get into everything. Heart, brain, liver and everywhere else creating immune responses. Bad idea.
Monoclonal antibodies target what they are designed to target.
Monoclonal antibodies target what they are designed to target.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 7:50 pm to Flats
quote:Nah. I agree that both public and private actors did a TERRIBLE job relaying the actual facts - most infamously summed up by the gaffe in Biden's "townhall" meeting when he declared if you got the shot, you couldn't get infected anymore.
Only because we’ve dumbed down the definition of “worked”.
But the reality is there are multiple types of vaccines. Some of them basically cause a complete transmission lockout of the infection (smallpox) and some of them hope to work while also functioning as an anti-viral (flu). Covid vaccines are like the latter.
Some vaccines seem to cause a transmission lockout, but only due to their extremely high rate of adoption. Measles is a good example.
In any event, I don't think the guy's dad even needs the boosters (unless there is a truly radical mutation.) He should be protected from severe events just off of the original 2.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 7:56 pm to Big Scrub TX
My, how the story has changed.
To make things worse, big pharma is all excited about making mRNA flu shots and other vaccines. Problem is that the damn mRNA nanobots get into cells in every part of the body.
To make things worse, big pharma is all excited about making mRNA flu shots and other vaccines. Problem is that the damn mRNA nanobots get into cells in every part of the body.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 7:58 pm to Auburn1968
quote:Yes, an extremely poor job of relaying actual facts by almost everyone involved.
My, how the story has changed.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 8:16 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:
Nah.
Yah. It's a simplistic apologetic answer that ignores the fact that this isn't an issue of "worked" vs "not worked". It didn't work well, it didn't work like they hoped it would. It provided more protection than a sugar cube, a lot less than a really effective vaccine that prevents illness and transmission.
If I buy a tire that won't hold air, people wouldn't tell me "well, it works" because it's better than a bare rim. Well, the guy who sold it might claim that, but nobody else would.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 8:38 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Yes, an extremely poor job of relaying actual facts by almost everyone involved.
Not almost everyone involved at all. A lot of people blew the whistle early on. The data was there even through the fog of official propaganda and ideological foolishness.
DeSantis really did his homework on covid and did quite the opposite of NY's Cuomo. The lockdowns where loose, but he used the available resources to protect Florida's many elderly moving those from nursing homes who were infect to facilities better able to deal with it an away from the general population of old folks.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 9:18 pm to lsufan31
quote:
Dear diary…
lsufan31 can frick right off. Although I do wish he finds, as a grown assed man, the ability to read beyond remedial English at some point.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 9:21 pm to Big Scrub TX
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my Dad is vaxxed to the hilt and should not be getting Covid,
Not true. He should be more protected from extreme outcomes than if he were unvaxxed, but he can still get it. Same thing with flu shots (which you should be getting him also.) Flu shots are basically an anti-viral - they hopefully protect you from getting it, but in the case you DO still get it, it should be pretty attenuated
I disagree…most true vaccines prevent one from contracting the ailment.
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