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re: Wharton board calls on University President to resign after shameful testimony
Posted on 12/8/23 at 6:06 am to Powerman
Posted on 12/8/23 at 6:06 am to Powerman
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You can be for free speech and understand that it has consequences for employment.
Which means from a values perspective you aren't "for free speech"
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Posted on 12/8/23 at 6:08 am to Eurocat
If the university had a strict pro speech platform this wouldn't be an issue.
It's the fact the university grotesquely prohibits speech but didn't do so for this antisemitism
It's the fact the university grotesquely prohibits speech but didn't do so for this antisemitism
Posted on 12/8/23 at 6:21 am to Turbeauxdog
quote:No. Screaming "FIRE" in a crowded auditorium (or at the outset of the Boston Massacre) is not "free speech". SWATing is not "free speech". Offering a bounty for the death of a person on campus, then saying you weren't serious, is not "free speech". Calling for the murder of classmates due to their race, religion, or gender is not "free speech". Each of those examples put people's lives at threat or in danger. They exceed free speech protection.
Which means from a values perspective you aren't "for free speech"
Posted on 12/8/23 at 6:23 am to NC_Tigah
Free speech is protection from the government.
The board of a private university can do whatever ever they want.
The board of a private university can do whatever ever they want.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 6:28 am to Rebel
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Free speech is protection from the government.
No. Free speech is a value that has been enshrined in the constitution to prevent the government from interfering.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 6:29 am to Eurocat
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It will be interesting to see how those on the right who are huge free speech guys will react to this.
She was acting in an official capacity for the University, not Tweeting something on her own time.
Further, her testimony showed a clear inability to be impartial and afford all students the same protections.
She was in essence, "picking winners" and her testimony was transparently biased and intellectually dishonest ALL WHILE REPRESENTING THE UNIVERSITY IN AN OFFICIAL CAPACITY.
Her testimony could be USED against the University in a court of law if any Jewish students were harmed by the apes on the Left who are now openly embracing rape and murder.
This post was edited on 12/8/23 at 6:31 am
Posted on 12/8/23 at 6:31 am to NC_Tigah
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No. Screaming "FIRE" in a crowded auditorium (or at the outset of the Boston Massacre) is not "free speech". SWATing is not "free speech". Offering a bounty for the death of a person on campus, then saying you weren't serious, is not "free speech".
Specific threats, although I think think "fire" is bullshite.
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Calling for the murder of classmates due to their race, religion, or gender is not "free speech". Each of those examples put people's lives at threat or in danger. They exceed free speech protection.
Generalized comments don't put anyone in danger. It's just really really shitty.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 6:33 am to Rebel
quote:Oh, I'd imagine there just might be limits
The board of a private university can do whatever ever they want.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 6:33 am to Eurocat
Posted on 12/8/23 at 6:33 am to Eurocat
Boy you’re a hypocrite.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 6:36 am to NC_Tigah
I will say also that if 2 weirdos were saying these things on campus no one would care, but our universities are such retard factories there is a critical mass of antisemites students on campus. But the real problem and why administrators are squirming is that its probably an even bigger problem within the faculty.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 6:38 am to Wildcat1996
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The same institutions that demand purity declarations on diversity now get to hide behind "free speech" when refusing to denounce statements in support of genocide?
Liberals want to jail Trump for saying “march to the Capitol peacefully and patriotically”.
This post was edited on 12/8/23 at 6:42 am
Posted on 12/8/23 at 6:46 am to Eurocat
I agree, words have consequences. They want to fire her, not arrest her.
Also, would the response be the same if the protestors had called for the genocide of Palestinians or America First Patriots (aka White Supremacist Racist).
Also, would the response be the same if the protestors had called for the genocide of Palestinians or America First Patriots (aka White Supremacist Racist).
Posted on 12/8/23 at 6:59 am to Eurocat
Clearly the testimony they gave was coerced in an effort to appease someone or something. No one in their right mind would say what they did and mean it.
Ergo, it isn’t a free speech issue.
Ergo, it isn’t a free speech issue.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 7:00 am to Turbeauxdog
quote:Yours is a generalized conclusion, based on the assumption that not a single person on campus is unstable enough to take "generalized comments" expressed en masse to heart.
Generalized comments don't put anyone in danger.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 7:03 am to Eurocat
Supporting threats of genocide is free speech?
You must have loved learning about that weird leftist with the funny little mustache, or rather…NOT learning.
I have said it repeatedly - the modern day left is the bastardized lobe child of Hitler and Stalin.
Communazis
You must have loved learning about that weird leftist with the funny little mustache, or rather…NOT learning.
I have said it repeatedly - the modern day left is the bastardized lobe child of Hitler and Stalin.
Communazis
Posted on 12/8/23 at 7:06 am to Eurocat
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It will be interesting to see how those on the right who are huge free speech guys will react to this.
At least you’re honest by stating that the Left is against free speech.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 7:07 am to Eurocat
The problem is this: These three counts who testified won't commit to saying that people chanting for Genocide against Jews violates their terms, but if one were to say "boys have a penis, girls have a vagina, these monkeys would scream like someone cut off their tails".
Posted on 12/8/23 at 7:14 am to Eurocat
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will be interesting to see how those on the right who are huge free speech guys will react to this.
It would be interesting to hear someone on the left to make an intelligent post about something of moral significance ----
but alas --- there is a severe lack of intelligence on the left, and a total absence of any vestige of morality or fairness.
Nothing but manifest evil - which is where any intelligence they possess is concentrated.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 7:42 am to NC_Tigah
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Yours is a generalized conclusion, based on the assumption that not a single person on campus is unstable enough to take "generalized comments" expressed en masse to heart.
Restricting speech based on the potential response from the mentally Ill is an interesting position and not one I expected you to take.
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