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re: West continues to inflame Russia situation

Posted on 3/2/22 at 9:32 am to
Posted by xxTIMMYxx
Member since Aug 2019
17562 posts
Posted on 3/2/22 at 9:32 am to
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The dude just invaded a sovereign nation for no legitimate reason


Retard alert. This has been thoroughly disproven
Posted by Landmass
Premium Member
Member since Jun 2013
24682 posts
Posted on 3/2/22 at 9:32 am to
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The dude just invaded a sovereign nation for no legitimate reason.


Drinking the Government/MSM kool-aid, I see.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465765 posts
Posted on 3/2/22 at 9:32 am to
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Becuase most dont want Putin to lose it and start a nuke war

But where does it end?

If Putin did another 2014 and just occupied alleged breakaway sections of Eastern Ukraine, the response would not be nearly as severe. But he's going all the way to Kyiv to, presumably, install a puppet regime. This is after doing the same thing in Belarus very recently.

Now that he's crossed the Rubicon, it's no longer "inflaming Russia" if smaller countries want to protect themselves from a similar fate. That's Russia inflaming itself with paranoia, just like the justification behind this invasion of Ukraine.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465765 posts
Posted on 3/2/22 at 9:32 am to
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This is total BS, Russia had every opportunity to liberalize and join the civilized nations, Yeltsin turned control over to a narcissistic paranoid and these are the results.

Exactly.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465765 posts
Posted on 3/2/22 at 9:33 am to
quote:

This has been thoroughly disproven

No it has not, unless we're going back to talking about the NWO bio labs he's protecting the free world from.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465765 posts
Posted on 3/2/22 at 9:34 am to
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Drinking the Government/MSM kool-aid, I see.

I have watched 0.00 seconds of MSM coverage of this war, other than the clip on Twitter of CNN (I think) having that country song interrupt it.
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
66533 posts
Posted on 3/2/22 at 9:34 am to
Most of it is behind a paywall, but Matt Taibbi had a really good piece yesterday about how Putin was kind of a Saddam/Gaffadi we supported after the boob Yeltsin, then he went rogue.
quote:

Once, Putin’s KGB past, far from being seen as a negative, was viewed with relief by the American diplomatic community, which had been exhausted by the organizational incompetence of our vodka-soaked first partner, Boris Yeltsin. Putin by contrast was “a man we can do business with,” a “liberal, humane, and decent European” of “alert, controlled poise” and “well-briefed acuity,” who was open to anything, even Russia joining NATO. “I don’t see why not,” Putin said. “I would not rule out such a possibility.”

The New York Times Magazine, noting that the KGB of the seventies that Putin joined was no longer really a murder factory but just another “thinking corporation,” even compared him once to Russia’s first true Western-looking leader:

In him, Russia has found a humane version of Peter the Great, a ruler who will open the country to the influence of a world at once gentler and more dynamic than Russia has ever been.

I’ve been bitter in commentary about Putin in recent years because I never forgot the way the West smoothed his rise, and pretends now that it didn’t. It’s infuriating also that many of us who were critical of him from the start are denounced now as Putin apologists, I think in part because we have inconvenient memories about who said what at the start of his story. The effort to wipe that history clean is reaching a fever pitch this week. Before they finish the job, it seemed worth getting it all down.

LINK
This post was edited on 3/2/22 at 9:36 am
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
57873 posts
Posted on 3/2/22 at 9:34 am to
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The dude just invaded a sovereign nation for no legitimate reason.

That will have responsive behaviors from any other sovereign nation who he may target.

Putin is doing the inflaming.


Oh yeah!?! Well... rage-rage-rage-something-deep-state-something-something-rage!!111



Think about that before you post again, sir!
Posted by Houag80
Member since Jul 2019
17876 posts
Posted on 3/2/22 at 9:34 am to
From what I have read from multiple sites, Putin was fearful of the 12 biolabs that the US DOD installed and manages/managed in Ukraine. These were among the first targets of this campaign. Can't speak to the veracity of said claims. Do your own research and educate yourself.
Posted by xxTIMMYxx
Member since Aug 2019
17562 posts
Posted on 3/2/22 at 9:35 am to
Just arrogant and stupid. Just stop
Posted by V Bainbridge
Member since Jul 2020
8110 posts
Posted on 3/2/22 at 9:38 am to
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I can’t, for the life of me, figure out why so many here are so against NATO and other countries joining NATO to form alliances just in case shite goes down.

Inviting nations directly on Russia's border is exactly what is CAUSING "shite to go down". Backing a nuclear power into a corner is fricking stupid.
Posted by CarrolltonTiger
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2005
50291 posts
Posted on 3/2/22 at 9:39 am to
The West had zero to do with Putin replacing Yeltsin. Some may have put a happy face on the transition, but they did nothing to promote the change in that direction.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
36639 posts
Posted on 3/2/22 at 9:45 am to
quote:

The dude just invaded a sovereign nation for no legitimate reason.

That will have responsive behaviors from any other sovereign nation who he may target.

Putin is doing the inflaming.



correct. as much as i dislike the nato sitution....ukraine was never joining before all this....now...not so much.

russia already had nato on its doorstep. if russia cared so much they should have not elected a dictator and then took steps to become more of a part of europe and to eventually join nato itself.

instead they chose a different path and by invading a sovereign nation...they essentially pushed all the other non nato countries to want to be in nato now
Posted by JJJimmyJimJames
Southern States
Member since May 2020
18496 posts
Posted on 3/2/22 at 9:47 am to
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TBoy

stunningly amazing how many people who cant figure their elbow from their azzhole think that they are legit international political analysts.

Must be based on the amount of actual truthful information they are receiving...

..from the CIA
Posted by jp4lsu
Member since Sep 2016
6318 posts
Posted on 3/2/22 at 9:47 am to
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so the issue is Russia doesn't want NATO countries on Russia border, so Russia tries to take over an incorporate a country with NATO countries on it's border. Makes sense


Some of you need to look at history.
The US agreed to not expand NATO east. NATO expanded to Russia's borders.

The US/EU had a coup in Ukraine to throw out a pro-Russian govt and put in their guy and made seem like it was an "orange revolution". This is why Russia annexed Crimea (which is pro Russian) because that is where their Black Sea fleet is based.

So if you can't see how any of this has inflamed a delicate situation, I can't help you.
Posted by jp4lsu
Member since Sep 2016
6318 posts
Posted on 3/2/22 at 9:49 am to
quote:

The dude just invaded a sovereign nation for no legitimate reason.


In 2014 the US created a coup to overthrow a democratically elected Ukraine President. The US is not innocent in what we have going on in Ukraine now.
Posted by thelawnwranglers
Member since Sep 2007
41989 posts
Posted on 3/2/22 at 9:49 am to
What is the threat to Russia if they respect borders
Posted by Jack Carter
Member since Sep 2018
12200 posts
Posted on 3/2/22 at 9:54 am to
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Why do you care about Russia? Frick them.



Yeah it not like an escalation of war with a nuclear superpower would have any ramifications outside of Russia.
Posted by jp4lsu
Member since Sep 2016
6318 posts
Posted on 3/2/22 at 9:55 am to
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This is total BS, Russia had every opportunity to liberalize and join the civilized nations, Yeltsin turned control over to a narcissistic paranoid and these are the results.


Russia wanted to normalize with Europe and integrate, even in Putin's early days he wanted to become integrated with Europe, but the EU rebuffed these attempts.
I have to wonder what would've happened if the US and EU would've welcomed Russia into the West...would we have these China/Russia alliance now.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
35841 posts
Posted on 3/2/22 at 9:56 am to
You wanna back Putin into a corner??? Have at it, but be prepared to pick up the pieces. You hit him, be prepared for when he hits back. If you are ready to take a punch , go for it.

I remember a fight George Foreman had around 1990 - 91 he was losing on points big time. Then one uppercut from George and the fight was over and George Foreman walked off the winner. Are you ready for the possibility of the well placed uppercut?
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