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We’re playing with fire over Ukraine

Posted on 12/7/21 at 6:36 am
Posted by DyeHardDylan
Member since Nov 2011
9636 posts
Posted on 12/7/21 at 6:36 am
We told the Russians in 1991 we wouldn’t expand NATO east as a condition of the Soviets giving up their satellite states. Clinton comes in and we start expanding NATO east. Because of the absurd “attack on one one nation is an attack on all” commitment, we’re almost certainly drawing ourselves into a conflict by continuing to poke the bear and threatening their sovereignty. Trump should have pulled us out of NATO while he had the chance.
This post was edited on 12/7/21 at 6:38 am
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
68544 posts
Posted on 12/7/21 at 6:48 am to
We wouldn't be if is was 2016-2020
Posted by Catchfalaya
Member since Feb 2018
2060 posts
Posted on 12/7/21 at 6:53 am to
The problem is Biden weakness. I’m not sure what’s wrong with these Democrats exerting a little military force every now and then. Probably because they hate the military and think everything can be smoothed over with rainbows n unicorns with a side of pixie dust. When Trump was president he killed 200 Russian mercenaries in a firefight in Syria. That sent a shockwave to Moscow don’t frick with Trump he will kick your teeth in.
Posted by Big Gorilla
Bossier City
Member since Oct 2020
6287 posts
Posted on 12/7/21 at 6:55 am to
Your missing a MASSIVE piece of the puzzle.

NATO and the US promised Ukraine if they got rid of the thousands of nukes they had (give them back to Russia) we would always protect them. That promise has been broken and Ukraine should never trust NATO again.

Russia would not be pulling this shite if Ukraine still had nukes.
This post was edited on 12/7/21 at 6:58 am
Posted by DyeHardDylan
Member since Nov 2011
9636 posts
Posted on 12/7/21 at 7:00 am to
Ukraine is dirt poor. As long as they still believe they can catch the gravy train by joining NATO, they’ll ally with the West. And the people in charge at NATO are only concerned with putting Europe under one government anyway.
Posted by CamdenTiger
Member since Aug 2009
65762 posts
Posted on 12/7/21 at 7:01 am to
Never give up your Nukes or your weapons, as you can’t trust humans, class dismissed…..
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
46724 posts
Posted on 12/7/21 at 7:08 am to
Funny how the Democrats keep getting us into these things, isn’t it?
Posted by Snipe
Member since Nov 2015
16587 posts
Posted on 12/7/21 at 7:09 am to
NATO is useless and one of the biggest wastes of US taxpayer dollars in the history of wasting US taxpayer dollars.

Posted by SantaFe
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
7824 posts
Posted on 12/7/21 at 7:24 am to


We have seen how this ends before. 20 million+ killed .
Posted by Big Gorilla
Bossier City
Member since Oct 2020
6287 posts
Posted on 12/7/21 at 7:25 am to
quote:

Never give up your Nukes


It was shocking they did, but at the same time they struggled to protect them.
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
84883 posts
Posted on 12/7/21 at 7:26 am to
What's the likelihood that Russia takes Ukraine and China moves on Taiwan simultaneously?

Seems like the perfect storm if you are those two countries.

Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
39552 posts
Posted on 12/7/21 at 7:39 am to
quote:

Funny how the Democrats keep getting us into these things, isn’t it?



"Wag the dog"; more Muh Russia Muh Unity. Biden et al will do ANYTHING to get the attention off of their disastrous policy consequences. When you utterly destroy a Nation like they are doing to ours...people will notice; no matter what Jen Psaki and Brian Stelter tells them they are seeing.

It's going to be a race to the wire to see if the corrupt Dems can be dislodged from power via the vote; and save what is left of our economy and infrastructure. Ukraine and Tiawan are on their own. Silly Europe as well. We'll be damn lucky to save ourselves.
Posted by PorkSammich
North FL
Member since Sep 2013
17511 posts
Posted on 12/7/21 at 7:41 am to
Putin will do what he wants.

The US and everyone else will sit back and do nothing.
Posted by Goonie02
Member since Dec 2019
2797 posts
Posted on 12/7/21 at 7:43 am to
This is what happens when you trust the useless NATO alliance.
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
32648 posts
Posted on 12/7/21 at 7:48 am to
quote:

The US and everyone else will sit back and do nothing.


This seems to be what most people here want, no?
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
22653 posts
Posted on 12/7/21 at 7:51 am to
Don’t be so worried. The American Fighting Trannies Force got this.
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
46724 posts
Posted on 12/7/21 at 7:52 am to
Everyone does know this is about a natural gas pipeline, correct?
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
Member since Oct 2004
63327 posts
Posted on 12/7/21 at 7:53 am to
quote:

Trump should have pulled us out of NATO while he had the chance.


This, and I'll add the United Nations. There are no reasons we should be in either.
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
23863 posts
Posted on 12/7/21 at 8:05 am to
quote:

Because of the absurd “attack on one one nation is an attack on all” commitment, we’re almost certainly drawing ourselves into a conflict by continuing to poke the bear and threatening their sovereignty.

Don't worry about it. And if it makes you feel any better, the history of humans is to war with those whom they want to subjugate or to get strategic real estate. Humans always gonna war.
Posted by markinkaty
Katy Tx
Member since Dec 2019
4507 posts
Posted on 12/7/21 at 8:15 am to
Impossible to get excited over geopolitics with an illegitimate govt. Send all the climate alarmists , disenchanted women and Howard Stern and Oprah over there. This is their fight.
This post was edited on 12/7/21 at 8:26 am
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